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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,829 ✭✭✭plodder


    Maybe he wasn't at the time. Still sensational stuff and explains the fairly clinical "execution" at the end of the day. What a story. The hubris and the nemesis/downfall really don't have any parallel in modern Ireland.

    It also explains one or two nagging questions I had at the back of my mind.

    1) How did the tenant manage to locate Gavin's parents?

    2) When FF heard the story they dropped him with a surprising alacrity. I'd have expected them to tough it out for a while at least, questioning the origin of the story …..

    Post edited by plodder on

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    How did you figure that one? Maria Steen couldn't even get 20 of the 234 oireachtas members to nominate her

    Jim Gavin had the backing of 48 TDs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,279 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    The usual mavericks and me feiners like O'Dea and O'Cuiv always appear at occasions like this .

    Usually to show the electorate that they are still alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The Nomination system is 88 years old. Its antiquated and needs reform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,234 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Will ye ever stop talking about Steen? She is an irrelevance.

    Lobby your TD for reform in 6 years.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i'm curious about what people expected from FG. they had their own candidate picked, why would they endorse adding to the competition?

    and even if you accept that they should have nominated more people; by what criteria? if you saw any of the reports of presentations to the councils, the vast majority were dreamers (to put it mildly). once you allow one or two from that pool, the rest can claim the same victimhood as steen.

    that's not to say the system does not need reform. just that as it is, the actions of FG are logical within the current framework.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Think we should be careful who gets nominated. They're in there for seven years.

    It's an irrevelent position anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    In the past, political parties with a presidential nomination had abstained from voting at council level. This is the first time in my memory that a party has actively voted against candidates at council level.

    Of course, that system gave us the infamous dragons den lineup of 2016 so maybe it wasn't the best idea. To me the message FG are sending is clear, if you want your council to have a free vote on presidential candidates then don't vote for FG councilors

    The system as it stands has given us 3 very good candidates, either of which would make a fine president so I'm not sure it needs to change to be honest



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭mykrodot


    I doubt she's worried about your "concern". You sound wildly jealous. Maria's day will come. This country is crying out for fundamental change. Micheal Martin is on a solo run, fueled by his arrogance. Just look at yesterday's Budget. There has to be a change, the same people are paying for everything and getting nothing. (sorry for going off topic but these things are intertwined)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,239 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Three (now 2) "very good candidates?"

    Are you having a laugh? They're all terrible in their own unique ways.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,577 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Maria's day will come

    Just look at yesterday's Budget. There has to be a change

    zero rate vat on handbags?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,071 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    If they thought she was an irrelevance they wouldnt have ganged up to stop her getting on the ballot. Even her opponents would acknowledge she was a strong debater in the family/care referendum. The Ireland Thinks/Sunday Independent poll had her on 22% if she had run, and another 17% were undecided when asked if they would for her.

    I wouldnt have voted for her, but I am concerned that excluding conservatives from our institutions could backfire like we've seen in other countries where they tried to do this.

    Some liberals would retort that conservatives were fine with shutting them them out in the era of conservative Catholic Church domination. Thats true. But isnt liberalism supposed to be also about free speech? Or has liberalism been replaced with Progressivism, which believes it is about "improving" society, including by restrictions if necessary? Some Progressives in the US supported Prohibition for that reason, alongside conservatives ironically. Progressives can be just as moralising as conservatives and the Church sometimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Hanafin too. Still bitter that FF wouldn't back her last couple of bids to run as a TD.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,302 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    With Progressivism, different opinions are ok, as long as they are different in the same way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    I don't think this country wants a return to any kind of iona backed fundi stuff, we're still dealing with rcc legacies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    We're gonna go from left wing presidents to a religious fundamentalist? Ya that's not happening however much you fantasise about the prospect.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wouldn't that be more 19th century European colonialist?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So "Mr Gallagher admitting he may have collected a donation for Fianna Fáil from a convicted fuel smuggler in Louth in 2006." has nothing to do with him being perceived as a dubious individual.

    The smuggler, Hugh Morgan, later gave further details that Gallagher could not refute and there's no way he was getting elected in 2011. Seven years later he got a measly 6.4% in the election. Astonishing that he got even that given his lack oof credibility.

    Higgins was not the government-approved candidate in 2018. He was again Independent/Labour. Neither the FG government nor the main opposition FF put up a candidate because they had no chance and were aware oof that. Why unnecessarily lose an election. MDH won with the greatest mandate in the history of the state. Good luck re-writing that history. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Is anyone able to explain to me the basis on which it is apparently believed that Maria Steen would make a good President or is somehow some kind of President-in-Waiting?

    I've only ever seen her become prominent in issues relating to her religious morals where at almost every juncture her views are not only contrary to what Irish people actually believe nowadays but are actually proven as such by democratic referenda. The things she is passionate about are things on which Irish people nowadays by and large completely disagree with her on. She has spoken out against divorce, she was opposed to marriage equality and she campaigned against repealing the 8th Amendment — and it's pretty damn evident that she is misaligned with Irish society on those points.

    So what does she actually bring to the table? Catholic morality in a country where people have long ago decided they don't need the Catholic Church to define morality and impose it on others?

    Don't get me wrong, she is a good speaker and formulates arguments articulately — but that isn't enough. When the articulate arguments you formulate are predicated on opinions which Irish society has clearly turned away from, I am unsure how this translates well into a tenure as President of Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,239 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Like someone running for a flight with 10 mins to spare and stamping their feet with rage and looking for someone to blame now that they missed it.

    She started out far too late in the day, that's on her.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Maria Steen has never even stood for a council seat never mind a Dáil or MEP role.

    Has she ever given any public service in this country? Anything at all, even some voluntary work?

    The presidency might be an ego trip for some (all arguably) but at least do something for your country before going for the position.

    The above is why she was polling at 3% to 5% only three weeks ago. Now an utter irrelevance.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Jim's father is a reasonably well known musician with Áras an Chronáin. Bits and pieces on the web and YouTube.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,423 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    it was actually extremely well thought out by dev, and is working perfectly as designed, i.e. to try prevent the extremes from entering office



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    And I'm not sure how people are writing off The part that Steens own side wasn't willing to nominate her. FF and FG not nominating made it more difficult to get nominations but it was very so possible to get the nomination without the major parties. The fact that Michael McDowell who worked with her on the referendum last year chose to run a mile says a lot.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,710 ✭✭✭yagan


    Anyone still harping for Steen is definitely stuck in some alternate self perpetuating online reality detached from Irish society.

    Maybe in a united Ireland she might have got support from the Free Presbyterian base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,126 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    The office of President is 88 years old. It’s antiquated and needs reform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,042 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "The country is crying out for fundamental change?"

    Is that so? What about the results of the general election ten months ago convinced you of that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭randd1


    The problem with Steen is that, while competent, she's also a bit of a religious extremist. That's a hard sell in Ireland these days, as most people don't share her views.

    She also came late to the game, and didn't do her due diligence in sounding it out well before. Running late and expecting help when other have committed elsewhere, well that's on her.

    And people who worked with her previously pulled back from supporting her. Not a good sign.

    And let's be honest, since she didn't get the nomination, she's behaved like a spoilt little brat with her moaning, complaining and sense of entitlement at times.

    So we may have dodged a bullet with that one.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    She had seven years to get on the ballot. She didn't bother to six years and fifty weeks of that time. During which she was doing sod all, and certainly nothing whatsoever for the benefit of the country. As opposed to the three candidates whatever you think of them.

    Had she done what CC had done then she'd probably be on the ballot. As it is she's whining about parties she's in competition with. As of now she's an irrelevance and it's an indication of the opposition to CC giving up that we're now reduced to discussing Steen, Higgins and the future of Martin on this thread.

    I suppose I should be happy about the likelihood of CC but the election is far from over.



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