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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Humphreys, former leader and deputy leader were not welcome 'by some' in NI.
    Would an Orange Order denier and avowed Republican be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Had they any sense, the minute FF heard 'landlord issues' their checks should have been forensic given their history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I'm not sure, older voters generally see voting as a vocation, and the vast majority of them that were JG will still go out and vote for HH imo. Younger voters are always the one's to stay away when there is apathy with the choices. In addition I'm not really seeing or hearing any of the groundswelling of support for CC that you typically associate with the more left-wing style candidates personally. Michael D seemed to get people's juices flowing, and had much broader cohort of support among young and old as he is a great orator. It all feels very dull, aside from a few posters here and there it doesn't really feel like election season at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I was thinking Re Connolly on reflection she might not be as naive as she first appears? Slithered out of circumventing the Leinster house security rules. Didn’t answer the question properly in the last debate.

    Partly as the other two didn’t frame the question back to Connolly with enough bite. But also because she smiled and in that quiet voice made her bluffing seem “honest”.

    She also did the same re her clarification on her 1930’s Germany comments, albeit not as well. But still quietly bluffed it in that style she has. Using her favourite buzzwords. “Genocide” “Palestine”. Maybe her training as a psychologist helps her knowing the buzzwords to drop at the right times?

    Connolly’s demeanour is how I imagine those two nuns were - when they brokered a great deal with Michael Woods in the early 2000’s. It was re the redress for child abuse victims.

    At the time people laughed at how two nuns could out manoeuvre a veteran government minister? But they likely simply used the passive aggressive “Connolly like” demeanour. Quietly spoken, with big smiles.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,837 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    Any skeletons/scandals that the various groups have currently will be held until Tues/Wed 21/22nd Oct I'd say



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I take your point - maybe the final thing to say is CC heads the polls, significantly in my view (last Sundays Indo) - I think that lead will increase now that JG has gone - it would take a very organised FF/FG voter mobilisation to beat her - I don’t see that happening



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    I would generally agree, it is about the best timing and circumstances for a candidate like CC so I would say HH is currently the underdog, but as they say, a week is a long time in politics, and we're still a couple of weeks out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    Yeh that's a very good point. Let them get to the finish line, and then try to trip them just before they cross.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,188 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He should have learned from Connolly, it is the way she had side-stepped various questions asked of her in relation to Gemma, Germany and most particularly, Eirigi.

    Her behaviour hasn't been good enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Gavin is not a politician never was, never will be. Even Danny Healy-Rae would do better in a tv presidential debate than Gavin would have.

    Why? He would have shown energy and fire. He would blame his opponents. Target their records relentlessly. And if all else failed blame “God above” if things were going against him.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,587 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    Yes Gavin has not only screwed FF but FG also. They were counting on his transfers for HH I would say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Terrible candidates in my view from day 1- not one of them is really what Ireland needs right now - I’m completely disheartened that we don’t have someone who can bring the whole nation together which is essentially their role - I’ll be switching off if CC gets through - I absolutely detest her and the thought processes she’s bringing with her - very disillusioned



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Only way I see her even with a chance of losing is if she’s kept to the topics of prisoners and Russia and what not and if HH gets a chance to really market herself in terms of what she’ll do as president -

    but she didn’t do that the last time- she said what she’d achieved- not what she would do- there’s a huge difference between the two - we know they’re there as candidates because a number of parties have approved them as suitable candidates to go forward - so rattling off the CV is now completely unnecessary - what the fck will you do as president ladies ? 😀



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 363 ✭✭rdser


    Anything possible at this stage.

    Whodathunk Jim Gavin would be at home deleting his social profiles with a couple of weeks to go.

    Wont be voting "Heather"...so either CC or spoil.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The irony with that is Gavin tried to focus on Presidential issues relevant to Ireland. Had some great ideas re forums and task forces as President. But didn’t have the political nous to sell his message loud and clear.

    He kept mentioning Dublin NE, making himself sound more like a candidate in a Local Council Election at best, not for the office of President.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Id say it is Connolly's to lose at this stage.

    I wouldnt bet against her losing it though, as she still seems like the quintessential left wing activist candidate. I just think its entirely possible that she saunters into another foreign policy mess. Or that, something else she said/done, during her career comes back to haunt her.

    I think the Gavin fiasco done CC a huge favour. I wasnt impressed by her response on Sunday, to the Eirigi mess, and her stating plainly that she 'admires' the lady at the heart of it. But the talking points from sunday have been, Gavin, the rent scandal, and Martins leadership of Fianna Fail.

    The budget today does a huge favour for CC too. Despite the presidency not being a policy role, Humphreys will take a hit today, among those on lower wages.

    If i am in CC's campaign, im saying the following

    • Connolly should attack Humphreys on the budget, and her ministerial career with FG. Stances she had on disability, and social protection are all fair game.
    • If asked she should further defuse the Eirigi scandal, and dont repeat any statements of 'admiration' for anyone involved. Move off the topic at the earliest opportunity.
    • Avoid foreign policy in any public appearances - her positions are clear, everyone knows her thoughts on FP - dont bring it up unless asked. In that case, avoid making anymore statements, and just point to her feelings already being known.
    • Concentrate on the cost of living situation, and being a president who represents the most needy in society. Connect these talking points to her stances during her time as a TD
    • If any skeletons emerge from the past - dont comment, until you and your campaign staff can formulate a strategy to deal with it.

    She should win, no doubt. Its her's to lose; but if ANYONE is capable of losing a presidential election, despite having such a commanding position - it is Catherine Connolly.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,558 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “She should win, no doubt. Its her's to lose; but if ANYONE is capable of losing a presidential election, despite having such a commanding position - it is Catherine Connolly.”

    Nope - she’s Teflon at this stage I hate to say- over and above the Russia, Nazi, prisoner attacks , there’s likely not much left to throw at her - if they haven’t shaken her core vote nothing will



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Joe1919


    On Tonight/tv3 ,one off the contributors made a comment something like that the fact that someone was prosecuted in the Special Criminal Court make it a terrorist offence. This appears to be somewhat the case if you look at Courts.ie as quoted below. Is it reasonable for me to have suspicions that CC may well have links to terrorists/organized crime in that she employed an indicated terrorist (or organised criminal) that was still politically active?…. or am I pushing things too far.

    Most indictable offences are dealt with in the Circuit Court.  They are tried before a judge and jury and include offences such as burglary, certain types of assault, robbery, serious drugs and sexual assault.  Offences such as murder, rape, treason and piracy are dealt with by the Central Criminal Court.  Terrorist offences and offences with an organized crime element can be heard by the non-jury Special Criminal Court.

    https://www.courts.ie/guides/circuit-court-criminal-cases#:~:text=Terrorist%20offences%20and%20offences%20with,non%2Djury%20Special%20Criminal%20Court.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    It's clear is it not the public willing to support her are comfortable with her views on foreign policy? She was 10 points ahead of Humphreys
    Connolly has been drawing support from across several parties. I saw SF support has grown from 50 to 75% as the campaign went on. SF backing looks to have been the game changer for her before Gavin imploded.
    Humphreys has the core FG vote, it is for her to prove she can gather votes from outside that base.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Well, i can give you my opinion.

    If im in Heather Humphreys camp - I am saying the following

    • At every oppertunity, bring up Connolly and the Eirigi scandal. Highlight that CC 'admires' a lady with a conviction in the SCC, who mock executed the British Head of State on O'Connell street. Highlight CC's view that Eirigi are a 'legitimate socialist party' despite the fact they dont fully endores the Irish State. While acknowledging that, technically Eirigi are a political party, enquire as to whether Connolly is 'courting' Eirgi support in her campaign.
    • Attack Connolly on every statement she has made RE foreign Policy. Outline how it damages her credibility, while asking what effect it could have, if said statements were to be made by the President. Not just Germany, but the 'hamas' comments, and those on the US being an empire as bad as Russia.
    • Ask her if she considers NATO to be responsible for the Ukraine war.
    • Connolly condemned Russia as an afterthought on sunday - ask her to acknowledge that Russia is a serious bad actor on the global stage, and challenge her to explain why she believes its in any way analagous to the roll of the US.
    • Highlight her own standing as a diplomatic politician; Yes she has her views, but she would never blunder into a damaging situation RE Irelands relationship with Washington, or Brussels.

    Just off the top of my head but- all valid points for HH to use

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,228 ✭✭✭Archduke Franz Ferdinand


    l think if Gavin owed the bank millions and reneged it would be somehow more acceptable. There is something terribly mean in screwing what appears to be an ordinary Joe soap out of €3300 and holding on to it for 16 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    The Special Criminal Courts were always used for “subversives” organised crime, including Republicans.
    No jury and 3 judges. Set up under the OAPA 1939. The idea was that there was no jury to intimidate.

    For years SF hated it viscerally. It was only very recently 2023 that Mary Lou said her party “stands” with the SCC.

    https://m.independent.ie/news/mary-lou-mcdonald-questioned-on-connections-to-jonathan-dowdall-in-dail/42441890.html

    Now a cynic would say that was because the likelihood of senior SF members being before the SCC these days is very slim.

    But they could not have foreseen backing Connolly and the Erigi Ni Shionnain issue.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    At every oppertunity, bring up Connolly and the Eirigi scandal. Highlight that CC 'admires' a lady with a conviction in the SCC, who mock executed the British Head of State on O'Connell street. Highlight CC's view that Eirigi are a 'legitimate socialist party' despite the fact they dont fully endores the Irish State. While acknowledging that, technically Eirigi are a political party, enquire as to whether Connolly is 'courting' Eirgi support in her campaign.

    Foolish. Gives Connolly the chance to talk about what rehabilitation is and that she admired what this woman did in prison to begin that journey and decided to help her. Would make Heather look cruel and draconian. Remember this woman went on to lead a crime free and normal life.

    Attack Connolly on every statement she has made RE foreign Policy. Outline how it damages her credibility, while asking what effect it could have, if said statements were to be made by the President. Not just Germany, but the 'hamas' comments, and those on the US being an empire as bad as Russia.

    Hasn't worked and is unlikely to now.

    Ask her if she considers NATO to be responsible for the Ukraine war.

    Given that is an un-nuanced reflection on what Connolly actually says, she risks Connolly once again chewing her up with a much superior intellect and command of the subject.

    Connolly condemned Russia as an afterthought on sunday - ask her to acknowledge that Russia is a serious bad actor on the global stage, and challenge her to explain why she believes its in any way analagous to the roll of the US.

    Connolly is on record multiple times in the Dáil condemning Russia. Again, she'll chew up that argument and spit it out in little pieces.

    Highlight her own standing as a diplomatic politician; Yes she has her views, but she would never blunder into a damaging situation RE Irelands relationship with Washington, or Brussels.

    Yes, she can do that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 984 ✭✭✭jesuisjuste


    We'll have to get a 1 v 1 opinion poll to get a true picture, and even then with the fact that the ballot will still have JG it may not tell the full story.

    It's fairly clear that CC will have the majority of the left vote, however those in the centre may be a bit put off by her. It will all hinge on whether HH can get out the FF vote, as well as the old centre-right PD imo. FG support is a lock of course. Historically that combination of voters has never really lost an election in Ireland.

    It is primarily a ceremonial role, but one of the (only) critical areas for president is in international relations, and on this they are quite different, giving people a clear choice imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,138 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Not the “only” critical area as President. The president is part of the legislature is one of the three arms of the state under the separation of powers. The POI can refer Bills to the SC (if so desired as per A26 of the constitution) before signing them into legislation.

    Given Connolly’s knowledge of the law it is another plus point for her. But I have not heard mentioned as yet.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I would say that some objectivity is necessary, RE how the public view Connollys Foreign Policy. You absolutely agree with Connolly, as does her base. Another segment may simply view it as irrelevant; she is not running to be Foreign minister. Others like me find it messy and divisive, and yet more may not have considered it properly.

    Regardless of what position the public takes on these issues, CC has made her thoughts clear. For the sake of her supporters, who agree with her, and her base, who are in the bag; She should move away from it if possible.

    I tried to remain objective on what I WOULD SAY, were i advising them.

    I appreciate this response. But I honestly dont know if it is worth getting into it any further.

    The responses you typed are valid, to you, as an ardent Connolly supporter. No doubt other voters in her base would agree.

    You think that HH attacking the lady at the heart of the Eirigi scandal would be cruel. Possibly, but that is politics. HH has every right to bring up the Eirigi scandal, and it remains damaging (albeit muted at present thanks to Gavin and the budget)

    Her opinions on NATO re the Russia/Ukraine conflict are not un-nuanced- she has stated them many times for years, and again - its valid for HH to ask her to state them, now, in the election. If CC were to roll back, and leave 'NATO EXPANSION' out of her position, she would successfully defuse this talking point.

    Again though, overall, you believe as you do, and view these points through the lens of a Connolly supporter. I commented twice, giving possible campaign moves from both sides of the fence.

    Leaving aside the nonsensical 'Vote Gavin Protest' group, this is a two horse race. It may as well be FPTP, i cant see 'Gavin Transfers' being a serious consideration now. Anything could trip up either HH or CC, and cost them the election.

    Il just keep watching this space, but im not going to get into any serious arguments, and im not trying to offend anyone.

    Just giving my thoughts.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,504 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I would say that some objectivity is necessary, RE how the public view Connollys Foreign Policy. You absolutely agree with Connolly, as does her base. Another segment may simply view it as irrelevant; she is not running to be Foreign minister. Others like me find it messy and divisive, and yet more may not have considered it properly.

    Regardless of what position the public takes on these issues, CC has made her thoughts clear. For the sake of her supporters, who agree with her, and her base, who are in the bag; She should move away from it if possible.

    I tried to remain objective on what I WOULD SAY, were i advising them.

    The media are setting the agenda on this stuff. Perhaps they'll stop as it doesn't appear to have any traction.

    You think that HH attacking the lady at the heart of the Eirigi scandal would be cruel. Possibly, but that is politics. HH has every right to bring up the Eirigi scandal, and it remains damaging (albeit muted at present thanks to Gavin and the budget)

    Yes, I think Connolly has answered on this. Attacking a woman who has made something of her life is never going to be a good look.

    Her opinions on NATO re the Russia/Ukraine conflict are not un-nuanced- she has stated them many times for years, and again - its valid for HH to ask her to state them, now, in the election. If CC were to roll back, and leave 'NATO EXPANSION' out of her position, she would successfully defuse this talking point.

    That is you, allowing your view to lead you to believe it is the only legitimate view.
    Again, Heather hasn't the ability to win this argument, she simply isn't up to it with Connolly.

    Just my thoughts too, but you are viewing things through a prism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,964 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    can refer yes but must sign so the SC is just a delaying tactic unless the bill is clearly crap

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Aurelian


    Yes, she must sign it. It's by and large a rubber stamp. Also she can only refer in consultation with the Council of State. I don't know if there is a single thing the President can actually do without either the Government or Council of State.



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