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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Alleged War Criminal #1 (at large) was having a good old whinge a few months back at the Red Cross not visiting the hostages in Gaza.

    I'd imagine even if the Red Cross could visit, they wouldn't as they'd undoubtedly be executed by the IDF who have a real taste for murdering medics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    The ICJ directed Israel to do that - it is a legal duty.

    But Israel doesn't care for international law.

    that's why it's a world pariah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Greta Thunberg's parents work; her mother, Malena Ernman, is a professional opera singer, and her father, Svante Thunberg, works as a manager for his wife's career.

    Perhaps you will just have to admit that you have no evidence that they are forcing Greta to do something she doesnt want to do or living off her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Would Germany also withdraw from UEFA, other sporting competitions, if Israel is excluded. The behaviour of Israel is tainting everything. Politics, morality, international law and institutions.
    A nuclear armed power committing genocide armed by the US and Germany.

    If an end to the war comes and the true civilian death toll in Gaza established. 100,000 150,000 200,000. Will it make any difference?

    I think part of the reason there seems to be a surge in pro Israel social media accounts, the take over of TikTok etc, is the importance of controlling the post war narrative.
    Will independent journalists be allowed into the what remains of Gaza when the fighting stops?

    Is there any death toll of women and children that the pro Israeli posters on here would consider too high?

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,823 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think it was brought up at the beginning of the conflict by a lot of pro israeli posters that they wouldn't put a civilian price on getting rid of Hamas. I doubt it has changed with only the most hard core supporters left supporting Israel now.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Site Banned Posts: 7,421 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Actually, buswells looks like a nice spot for a sneaky few mid week nights with your loved one. Reasonable enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Where do you stand on Likud using “from the river to the sea” in the 1977 election??

    Where do you stand on Netanyahu standing in front of the UN with a map of “greater israel” made up of other peoples sovereign land??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    This is a surprise.

    Seems the Hamas attack on Oct 7th went ahead because a communications system to pre warn Israel of an imminent attack was undergoing "an upgrade".

    The "upgrade" lost nearly four hours of prewarning before the Hamas attack commenced.

    I'd imagine the families and loved ones of those slaughtered by Hamas would be apoplectic with that news. As will the families of those slaughtered by Israel under the Hannibal Directive.

    A four hour prewarning would have been plenty of time to mobilise and prevent all the bloodshed over the last 731 days…

    I'd imagine Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are delighted there was a delay.

    • A police inquiry recently obtained by Haaretz found that the Shin Bet warned of suspicious activity in Gaza at 3:03 A.M. on October 7, 2023, but the police only received the message at 7:03 A.M. about 30 minutes after the Hamas attack had already begun. Senior police officers said the delay was due to a systems upgrade.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Can someone tell me what was the point of the flotilla?

    It was never going to get to Gaza with aid, those involved were always going to be flown home. If the purpose was to prove how privileged Europeans are it was successful.

    Yes there needs to be protests but not ones that make Israel look reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Massive respect to Greta Thurnberg and all the others who stood up and did something



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    We’re all the people on the flotilla European? I did not know that.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    kidnapping people on boats in international waters is illegal - it is certainly not "reasonable".

    The point of the flotilla was to raise awareness. It certainly did that.

    I've little doubt those in the flotilla had a fair idea they weren't going to land on the coast of Gaza and deliver the humanitarian aid they had onboard. They also had a fair idea they were going to be taken hostage by Israel thus bringing their governments diplomats into the mix to protest strongly to Israel to release illegally detained citizens.

    Given the various protests and the recalling of Israeli ambassadors plus chucking a few out, I'd say the flotilla did exactly what it meant to do - show in the clearest possible way that Israel:

    • Takes no notice of international law
    • Is refusing Gazans access to aid
    • Is committing Genocide
    • Is a World Pariah

    job done. And that's as it was planned.

    It most certainly did not make Israel look reasonable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    seems the Pope is rightly pissed off:


    • The Vatican's top diplomat sharply criticized Israel's "ongoing massacre" in Gaza, one of the Catholic Church's strongest condemnations of Israel in the war to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Did I say they all were?

    But you haven't answered my question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    I did - not sure you'll agree but give it a read and see what you think.

    Also, the video of the Thunberg presser is a very good outline of precisely what it was trying to achieve.

    I'd imagine the Israelis making her kiss the Israeli flag was indicative of how pissed off they are and how dangerous she is to their warmongering cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,120 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Why do you think a multinational flotilla proves that Europeans are privileged. I’m afraid I don’t follow you Cyclingtourist.
    Did you see the US intelligence whistleblowers who claimed an Israeli submarine launched an attack on some of the flotilla boats in Tunisia? Launching drones and incendiary devices.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Randycove


    the OAPs could just as easily join the numerous other pro Palestine marches, so why support a banned organisation.

    A banned organisation that has done a lot more than throw paint on RAF planes (that aren’t doing anything to help Israel at all, but let’s not get in to that little fantasy).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So that's what it achieved is it?

    Fortunately for them there were diplomatic officials of their countries, including Ireland, in Israel to arrange for their speedy repatriation.

    Doesn't make it look particularly pariah-ish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,637 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    perhaps read the numerous supportive reports about the flotilla? Plenty of column inches out there.

    And if you think the world doesn't see how bad this makes Israel look then you're either misinformed or uninformed.

    That people need to be "repatriated" after their govts. intervened filling Israel's illegal seizure of those people is enough for anyone to be crossing Israel off next year's holiday list.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭dePeatrick


    IMG_0945.jpeg

    Now everybody else knows too ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    it doesn't, it shows them brutalising peaceful protesters.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,195 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Considering Israel kidnapped civilians in international waters, it is the least I would have expected from the countries who had their citizens kidnapped. If you think Israel eventually releasing the hostages makes Israel look respectable then there really is no hope for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,606 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Why do you think a multinational flotilla proves that Europeans are privileged."

    Europeans such as Greta are released within a week, given diplomatic access while in captivity and then when they arrive back immediately start attacking their own governments as shown in the video.

    This what European freedom is, in global terms it's privilege.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,913 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    because the organisation's ban was bogus.
    and yes spray painting air craft and some spray painting elsewhere is all they have done, the british government will be lieing when they claim there is more.
    they were banned because they showed that the british government don't secure military installations and as a start to the process of ultimately criminalising opposition to the genocide.

    the more protests and arrests for palestine action the better.

    the more likely there will be a collapse of the court system and the institutionally corrupt and racist met police will be stretched to breaking point which they deserve, and the more genocide starmer will be a joke.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    And if you believe that I’ve a bridge in Dublin for sale.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,485 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    To raise awareness of what is happening in Gaza. Greta Thunberg keeps saying "We are not the story : the people of Gaza are".



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,147 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    We can dream

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen faced criticism from both the far-right and far-left in the European Parliament on Monday, as lawmakers debated two separate no-confidence motions over her handling of the Gaza conflict and the European Union’s trade policies, Anadolu reports.

    The motions were submitted by the far-right Patriots for Europe group and the left-wing The Left group, reflecting growing discontent with von der Leyen’s leadership ahead of a confidence vote scheduled for Oct. 9.

    … because some dreams come true

    https://www.newsday.com/sports/cycling-premier-tech-team-name-rebrand-r17349

    “With steadfast commitment to our riders, staff and valued partners, the decision has been made to rename and rebrand the team, moving away from its current Israeli identity,” the team said in a statement on its website. “In sport, progress often requires sacrifice, and this step is essential to securing the future of the team.”



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