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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,131 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Yeah - what will happen is that the people who would have voted for Gavin will now either vote for one of the two (Humphreys), or not vote at all. The protest voters may vote for Gavin, but they were always just a (noisy) minority. Most voters will want to elect a president, since that's what's the vote is about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,645 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    maybe years ago he could have denied and spoofed his way out of it. Not today. Too much chances to be caught lying. I think it’s clear that he knew he did wrong here, and that greed and dishonesty would be seen very badly for him. And here we are!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 502 ✭✭✭ax530


    FF tried the celeb candidate in Galway West Grainne Seoige MM should have learnt lesson from that and not make this big mistake ruining Jim Gavin

    Could it end in a leadership contest. MM took gamble not to run as president as he wanted to stay as leader but now he will the up with neither.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭Seattle


    Who benefits most from Gavin's withdrawal?

    Any data which indicates who his voters are most likely to switch to?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,790 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    Waking Up to the news, I hadn't heard it last night. Not shocked Jim Gavin pulled out. MM will be squirming on his throne now I'm sure.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Not that bookies odds are that sigificant in elections, it's interesting that they have CC as favourite. I tend to see this as HHs to lose now.

    CC was the best candidate before JG and remains the best candidate, but based on yesterday's poll, even if 60% of those expressing a first pref for JG switch to HH, she'll essentially be there or thereabouts with CC, and the poll suggested that a majority of the undecided are leaning to the right, so inevitably going to HH.

    Obviously, now the race is between just two, and all the talk of transfers, etc., is redundant. Will FF now directly call for their supporters to vote for FG - that's not without its risks? How do the media react now? I think this will make the type of disingenuous campaign by sections of the pol corrs slightly more diffcult, (it can also change the dynamic of the remaining debates on radio and TV) if they are seen to go after CC as they have, it may have the opposite affect - the poll yesterday and CC's number perhaps show a decent resistance to the media framing around CC.

    This week, the budget and leadership of MM may take over as the key focus for a few days.

    It's hard to know what's going to happen to MM, speculation about the future of the Gov is wide of the mark but MMs poition must be under threat and it's very hard to see how he can some back from this debacle - he gets a very easy ride in the media, the media cover him like his politicial career began in 2011 and he's some kind of saviour.

    FF doesn't have great alternatives. Chambers is very wooden and is reasonably inexperienced. I’m not sure O'Callaghan has the support and would probably mean a shift to the right, a female leader would make sense, but they've so few women at all, that's not likely, Billy Kelleher - do they really want that? Anyway, for the moment, those of us who oppose FF can sit back and revel in their discomfort.

    Loads of questions, very few answers right now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭George White


    O'Callaghan does put the fear of God into me. I feel he'd be our Starmer, what with his attitudes to immigrants and trans people (he told me he was pro-Cass Report).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭Champagne Sally


    I don’t personally think any of them are suitable at all.
    I am seriously thinking for the first time ever of just spoiling my vote and writing none of the above on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I like Jim O'Callaghans approach to some issues more than those of his predecessor. But I think FF should not run a candidate now, and it was a mistake to split the Centrist vote when the Left had unified behind one candidate.

    I agree with his opposition to third party funding of cases. We've seen how this can be hijacked by billionaires in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    I see protest vote for Gavin, he wins, immediately resigns and new election called.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭AyeGer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Connolly now at 8/13 on Paddy Power with Humphreys at 5/4. No sign of a "Next Leader of FF" option yet.

    Martin surrounded himself with yes-men and yes-women. This is all his fault for pushing his mini-me choice as FF candidate. A basic due diligence check on Gavin would have identified and fixed this problem. The Sindo/Indo did real reporting in this election. Well done, Beaker and co.

    Wonder if this story will bring down Martin too?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,869 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    At this stage he should have just stopped campaigning, let the election run it's course and he probably would have lost naturally. This is almost worse for FF.

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,530 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'd say SF, FF and FG would all be happy at a do-over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    FF should swallow their pride and endorse Humphreys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭jmcc


    With no FF candidate in the election, will FF voters not bother voting?

    Could this simply become a combined Left versus FG election?

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭jmcc


    FF needs to make a clean break with the Martin era. Endorsing Humphreys would be an erosion of FF's identity as a distinct party.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    There is little difference between FF and FG anyway, other than different dynasties whose ancestors might have taken different sides in the civil war. They should merge. End the split.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,539 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Any statement from Micheál Martin yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Forcing FF and FG to merge seems to be a long-term SF strategy. It has already forced FF and FG into government together. FF under Martin has lost its identity and become FG-lite. It has also surrendered centre/centre Left support to SF. Endorsing Humphreys would be the wrong move for an FF that wants to retain its identity as FF rather than FFG.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,746 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,746 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I'd like to hear from Jack Chambers too.

    Essentially MM felt the electorate are simpletons and would support an inexperienced celebrity candidate for our President. He went against a fellow Cork man to do so too. Lovely to see MM squirm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,387 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A great opportunity for one of those Fuhrer Bunker videos. :) Seriously though, there will be a lot of horse trading today and speculation about Martin's future. It would be best for FF to let the media focus on the Gavin story and keep Martin away from the media.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Well they elected celebrities before like Nina Carberry. Different sport but still.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,746 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know and that's very wrong. Carberry hasn't a breeze what she is doing in Brussels. She wouldn't even do interviews or radio debates during the EU election. Celebrity candidate make a mockery of our already dysfunctional political system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I know but I mean the electorate voted them in. Jack Lynch was also a Cork hurler. So celebrities can win.

    A longer betting period would be well advised in future presidential elections so there arent skeletons in the closet.

    Billy Kelleher on Radio 1 now. Saying what has happened with the handling of the FF campaign was a "miscalculation". Says many FFers are "very upset about this". Was asked if it has implications for MMs leadership. Replies "that's for another day"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    It's very clear listening to Morning Ireland, Gavin was lying and in reality so were FF. Yo'd have thought FF wold have learnt lessons from it's sordid past with reps personal finances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,572 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Like many at the time of the crash who buried their heads when it came to personal debt, Gavin could have handled it better- but that isn’t the issue here- 16 years later and no money paid back? After solicitors letters? Over 3k euros which you’d easily pay off in a few years given Gavins salary? it makes no sense that he didn’t pay it back - it may have went into a mortgage loan directly and he never actually had it in his hands- but that’s not an excuse



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Billy Kelliher with a leadership in mind not going in fully on Martin..



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