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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Of course, a rehabilitated sex offender is no more of a risk to kids than you or I… Why would anybody think otherwise?

    You said this no?

    ROFL

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123870149#Comment_123870149



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    How does one become 'rehabiliated'? After they serve their sentence?

    Removal from the sex offenders list is not automatic and is very rare. A judge has to order it, and clear evidence has to be presented to the court.


    TLDR: There is a clear reason as to why the vast majority of sex offenders are on the sex offenders list and are precluded from working in various roles for the rest of their lives.
    But you seem to think they are of no risk.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    That is incorrect. He left the OO 50 years ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think I'll vote for Humphreys. I dont totally rule out Gavin though. I evaluate his performance in the debate better than the pundits.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    “Do they have any point of difference in their campaign or what they stand for? “

    Yes the difference is JG says ‘vote Gavin no.1 and HH says vote Humphrys no.1. They’re two people seeking the same job on the basis they’re most qualified.

    Has CC been attacking the other two? Can’t say I’ve noticed.

    It’s like an interview for a job, you don’t go in and rubbish the person who went in ahead of you or the guy coming next.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    At least Connolly is giving us all something to talk about, as opposed to the other two duds. Whatever you think of her, Connolly is driving the debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I would go as far as to say that, if Connolly is in anything other than First place in a poll, the election is over.

    Leaving aside my criticism of her - CC's path to the Aras involves

    • Winning the plurality of 1st preferences -
    • Trying to establish herself among 2nd preference voters, be they HH or JG supporters.

    We will only know when we see the poll. Its baffling that there hasnt been one TBH. But from CC's point of view she needs to be leading. Otherwise its over IMHO, with HH being the likeliest winner

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,568 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'm sure Micheál and FF would love to milk the story more, but they can't really as Micheál can't have a go back at O'Cuiv having previously praised his prisoner work.

    The Gardai can't get involved to confirm or deny.
    So unless there is more stuff out there in the way of some proof the story has nowhere to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,568 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    That's how it's been from the start.

    Connolly needs to get between the two I think for a Left success.

    She does that, I think the Alliance has a good chance of consolidating.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,604 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Connolly will almost certainly be top in the poll, I'd be amazed if she isn't.

    But she needs to be hitting the high 40s to have a hope.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,149 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    No sideways dig at all. Not every thinks on such Machiavellian lines.

    Didn’t hear her comments on Mangan

    1. Thought it would be a nice thing to do
    2. Politically it would be a good choice as well - focus on the nice aspects language culture- away from the rabbit holes Connolly is getting herself in - thus far.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭almostover


    Latest Paddy Power odds for next president:

    HH = Evs

    CC = 13/8

    JG = 4/1

    The gap has widened between HH and CC and JG has slid even further away. Looks like JG's race could nearly be ran 3 weeks out from election day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,149 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I doubt it is going to change much from that between now and the 24th.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I would sincerely hope that a possible left alliance in Ireland is not graded on the outcome of this election. I worry about that, because I always vote for sensible left candidates. And we need more of them, and more co-operation.

    It will be all to play for if the CC backing parties remain within even a moderate pact before the next election. Really, thats the only way we break the FFG Duopoly.

    But i worry if CCs campaign continues to make unforced errors, that it reflects badly on left coalition building in the future. Its a genuine concern for me.

    Watch this space i suppose🤞

    I would be surprised if she doesnt top each poll between now and election day. I wouldnt be stunned if she slides down slightly though. Its just these unforced errors will have an effect. Beyond her base, she needs to be seen as credible to a broader set of voters.

    If i were advising her, id be urging her to go after Humphreys. Id actually suggest she give Jim Gavin a pass. Try and remain on equal terms, and perhaps even defend JG from some of the more obvious attacks on him, which are coming down the track. Gavin will be eliminated first, that is almost beyond doubt to me. She needs to make these moves, to bolster her position relative to Humphreys, while trying to appear modest enough to Gavin voters, so as to get some transfers.

    Again though, it requires political tact and strategy - Which honestly appears absent from Connollys campaign.

    Going back to the poll though - if she isnt in first place, now - its over.

    Again we just have to watch this space too!

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,821 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Any polls this weekend won't fully capture the impact of this Connolly saga. So I wouldn't expect them to be too dramatic either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,880 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    If Jim Gavin was savvy he'd throw a couple of grand on himself to win. That'd drop his odds. Because, yet again, gambling odds for Irish politics are not an indicator of how an election is going, beyond the perception of the very small number of people who vote on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,044 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So you dont think CC will win?
    In your mind second place is a win?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,832 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Thats the weird thing about the lack of Polls.

    For us to really see the impact of this weeks debate, and the CC fiascos, we needed multiple polls. One from before the debate, preferably.

    One after the debate, and a further poll around now, so as to see the effect of the CC campaigns unforced errors and scandals.

    We dont have any, so we are kind of guessing at this stage

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,568 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Never did Mark when only 3 went forward.

    Quite clear FF FG don’t care which of the two HH or JG wins. Gavin, the outsider never laid a glove on Humphreys in the debate and we know why that is.
    Connolly needs a good showing in second. A win would be a huge bonus given what she is up against - a party with two candidates essentially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭1641


    Most people have no party affiliation. Most centre ground people won't mind which of the other two wins as long as it is not the dangerously loose cannon, Connolly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,149 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Fair point, but how people perceive things is an important part of politics itself. And the bookmakers are an indicator of that perception.

    The polls are not much better they are a snapshot from a small sample, from those who are willing to state how they would vote. Then there is the variable of the “don’t knows”. Will they not vote or pick a candidate?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Given the amount of ‘form ‘ Ms Connolly has racked up in the past I doubt the electorate will not be influenced by the Wallace Daly Sadat axis and the Eirigi debacle.

    Campaign blown out of the water now that O’Cuiv was mentioned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    So, you reckon a "party" with 2 candidates will fair better than the whole left "Alliance" candidate?

    It puts a question in my mind for you, do you regard Connolly as an independent candidate or a left alliance candidate?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    CC is unlikely to win unless she's significantly out in front. I suspect most realistic supporters of her campaign see it that way. She was always a long shot because FF and FG transfer heavily to each other. HH and Gavin are poor candidates and that will help CC. CC has a chance but it's very much an outside chance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,568 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    An Independent whom the left have allied around.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Connolly will win this at a canter . The other two are incapable of independent thought or expression of same. They will not transfer to each other as high as people expect either . In a 3 horse race there will be more transfers to CC from Gavin as there is a limited choice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    If she loses then will you think of it as a loss for SF, Labour, SDs and PBF etc? The reason I ask is because it's defacto the whole left alliance thing that needs sorting in people's minds for that to be a serious contender for an alternative govt.

    If Connolly loses will they all say, we lost pr will they claim some sort of "well she wasn't one of ours as such" type of thing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,860 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yes, credible to a coterie who never heard of Eirigi or Syria or the antics of Daly and Wallace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭MFPM


    There is no 'outrage' beyond performative nonsense in discussions like this and among sections of politically aligned people opposed to CC.

    You've already decided that CC has no appeal beyond her base yet we've seen no substantial polls thus far. Let's wait and see what info they tell us but ultimately October 25th will indicate how she has done.

    The media are overwhelmingly 'centrist' orientated and no matter what CC does she will be dealt with far more harshly than anyone else...we've see this playook used here and elsewhere...you toe the centrist line or else. Anyone with an ounce of objective political analysis can see what's happening with CC, much of the coverage is so utterly disingenuous.

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