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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The Defence Forces are there to do a job, not be babysitters or some sort of social service. Or, as some judges thought they were in the past, an alternative to going to prison.

    Not to mention this would cost an absolute fortune and be of very dubious benefit anyway.

    No serious politician is ever going to call for this to happen.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,694 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Wow, just wow. She thinks it's OK to hire subversives fresh out of prison to work in Dail Eireann. At least the Shinner ones signed up to the GFA.

    Absolutely appalling judgement from Connolly to think that (a) that was a good idea and (b) that AGS would allow it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,257 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Freedom fighters are fine for CC.

    Almost haf the countries in the world have some form of conscription.

    Must be loads of jokers getting elected in those countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    You’re speaking as if she would have any power over budget decisions as president. Funding comes from government, not Áras an Uachtaráin.

    And on the Gardaí, Connolly has been explicit in saying they need more funding and resources. She’s consistently backed community policing and is strongly pro-Garda on that front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,599 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The lady seems to have gone on to a successful career and has not reoffended.

    I'd say pretty sound judgement. She knew the woman so could make a judgement at the time.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    Connolly has highlighted the neglect of the Defence Forces across the board - personnel, conditions, and capacity. Of course pay and conditions are central, because you can buy all the hardware you like, but without properly paid and retained personnel to operate and maintain it, it’s just expensive gear gathering dust.

    She hasn’t ruled out the need for investment in capability, but insists that any debate on hardware must be transparent, honest, and accountable to the public - not a blank cheque. Especially given our government’s track record of overspending and mismanaging major investment projects.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Special Criminal Court heard that a search of the vehicle found two handguns and a stungun, as well as ammunition, cable ties, black pillow cases, canisters of petrol, wigs and disguises. 

    Hard to believe the Guards said no. 🙄🙄🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,836 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Is it sound?

    Why then did the Gardaí go to her and say we're not having a person with a recent record of criminal firearms offences for a shadowy bunch of Marxist subversives working inside Leinster House?

    Her conviction was in 2014 Francie, don't try to bullshit people on this now.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Has not reoffended?

    You make it sound like she was caught shoplifting or something! 😅



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    "Anyone who doesnt support providing them with everything they need doesnt get to pontificate on whether other people care about them or not."

    Thanks for confirming the basis for the attacks on Connolly, which is - that there is no other possible opinion or strategy going to be considered, despite the fact that it's fairly obvious to the entire world, even now to Trump, that the current strategy isn't working and is never going to work, and that anyone who doesn't join in the military marching doesn't get an opinion.

    "Yet we still get plenty of useful idiots who try to pretend all would be fine and dandy if European countries had simply refused to give Ukraine the means to defend themselves, and forced them into a full surrender to Putin’s invasion."

    And there it is again, the exaggerated restating of the positions of others to find something to complain about.

    Strangely enough, I don't pretend to have a solution to a war in another country. I know that's a strange approach around here, the idea that Boards posters don't have all the solutions to the ills of the world, but there you go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,599 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Gardai vet everyone.

    In their opinion she was a security risk
    In Connolly's she wasn't.

    She has gone on to a successful career and has been in to give expert information in Irish language to the Houses of The Oireachtas. Far as I know she has not re-offended and is not a member of Éirigi anymore suggesting her sentence worked.

    Connolly's judgement was sound as far as I can see.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 44,297 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Comparing D. Connolly to someone who effectively is a convicted terrorist? That's an utterly deluded post AJR - surely you're better than that???

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Yet another example of her absolutely terrible judge of character and naivety that rule her out as presidential.

    Hiring not just a person convicted of a gun crime straight out of prison to work in leinster house but also a member of eirigi? People will argue now that she's shown no signs of reoffending but that's after 7 years, Connolly tried to hire her literally months after release…

    There is no excuse for such poor judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I’m afraid the more we hear of Connollys past ,the more we understand she would, in my opinion, be a serious liability as POI.

    Given those signs which are now apparent , much too big a risk to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    To be fair the article reads like a glib attempt to make a story out of nothing. Im highly critical of CC on foreign policy issues, but in terms of the news cycle, its a very boring presidential election if this is a 'Front Page' story on the Journal.ie

    I can imagine a group of journalists, desperately trying to find something interesting to print. And someone finding this story of CC trying to hire someone with a gun charge. In any usual election cycle it would be back page stuff, hardly relevent. But in this low key, almost boring at times, election cycle - its worth placing on the front page of the journal. Says more about their editorial decision making, than it does about CC.

    She tried to hire someone with a gun charge, and the guards stepped in. CC appealled it, but the decision was upheld.

    Did CC use poor judgement, arguably she did.

    Was she right to appeal - probably not, but she had that right and decided to exercise it.

    Is it a story worth discussing - honestly, no i dont think so.

    But thats just me

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  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    A gun charge?

    The Special Criminal Court heard that a search of the vehicle found two handguns and a stungun, as well as ammunition, cable ties, black pillow cases, canisters of petrol, wigs and disguises. 

    What do you think her plan was for having this gun?

    This would be a major story in any Presidential election. In any election, in fact. It's a particularly bad issue to arise for a candidate who has a history of very bad judgement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,865 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Yeah, that’s just you, I would suggest that in most peoples eyes it’s a very revealing and possibly a game ending story, in the polling booth.

    She who lies down with dogs wakes up with fleas…..as the saying goes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,155 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Jayus if excluding person from any involvement in politics because of association with an ex eirigi member. It would mean Mary Lou would be fecked. Her sister was an eirigi member.

    The Gardai did their job and blocked that Ursula ni S. from the role.

    In fairness to Connolly if anyone is involved in the Irish language at all (irregardless of party political affiliations/or not) you become acquainted with Republican’s of various shades. As the Irish language is one of the main planks of Republicanism. It does not surprise me in the slightest.

    I would be more concerned about what Connolly would say as POI. As she does not seem to have any filters. Or shrewdness.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Well i wont disagree on CC's poor judgement. As someone who made as many gaffs as she has on foreign policy alone, i think the lady has aweful judgement, and has demonstrated a complete lack of political tact. Iv posted a lot of criticism about her even just today.

    But honestly folks.

    Seven years ago, she tried to hire someone with a criminal record. Was prevented from doing so, appealled this decision, but it was upheld.

    Stop the Press….? Really?

    CC has the right to hire whom ever she wants. The fact she appealled the decision probably means she knew about it. Thats how it would read to me. She can attempt to hire anyone she wants to work in Government Buildings, she has that right. The Guards have the right to do a background check. The system worked.

    Lets be frank too, we have had criminals elected to the Dail. We nearly had the monk elected. And how is Michael Lowry doing? How is the extension on his house? What effect did it have on the valuation of that house? Has he ever had an ounce of difficulty being re-elected since 97?

    Its a non story in my opinion, and i say that as someone VERY critical of Catherine Connolly. I remain critical, and am really concerned about how many more international issues she will chose to ignite during the presidential election.

    But this is silly tbh.

    If we want to file it in the bank of 'Yet More Questionable decisions by CC'- that is fair. But for me it takes a back seat to Hamas, German rearmament, and Imperialism.

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Seven years ago, she tried to hire someone with a criminal record. Was prevented from doing so, appealled this decision, but it was upheld.

    She tried to hire someone to work in Leinster House who was a couple months out of jail (and presumably still under license) for gun charges in the middle of clearly trying to kidnap someone. We're not talking about something from her deep past here that she had turned around. I don't think it is a particularly big story, but it is just another in the long line of poor judgement calls.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,020 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    You seem to be getting over exercised about CC. All you have to do is not vote for her, relax.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,221 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    He had to write that article because of all the noise being created by those continuing to bleat about Steen , being supposedly kept out of the Presidential Election by undemocratical means ". By what I have read Steen has been very "pissy" about Mc Dowell not supporting her nomination and there has been quite the campaign by her supporters against those independent oireachtais members accusing them of all sorts, including him .

    Showed themselves up for what they are…

    Dodged that bullet nicely I would say folks .

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  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This really doesn't make any sense at all.

    She appealed because she thought someone found with guns, ammo, a stolen van, cable ties and pillow cases should be working in Leinster House. This is honestly insane. The mental gymnastics required to try make this sound like a small thing is incredible.

    She has the right to hire who she wants and then she gets the criticism when she makes absolutely appalling decisions, like she did in this case.

    But what is worse, at the time of the hire the person in question was just out of prison. There is absolutely no way that Catherine Connolly was in a position to know this person was not a threat to anyone. There was no way for her to know that they were rehabilitated.

    Your comparisons with elected politicians are wide of the mark. The comparison with Lowry is pretty ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    We will probably just agree to disagree on this.

    I would be content for CC to receive criticism, and be rejected by the electorate based on her radical foreign policie opinions. Also based on her steering her campaign and the election into controversial topics.

    If she is to be rejected, let it be for impuning a European Ally, by comparing its policies to those of the emerging Hitlerite state in the 1930s. Or because she believes that the perpetrators of October 7th should have a place in the future of Palestine. Let it be because she is an out and out radical, who would seek to blame NATO, and the west, for many global problems of significance, including but not limited to the Ukraine War.

    This 'story' of attempting to get someone a job - who has a record - its nonsense.

    If CC had tried to cover up the record, or made some serious effort to disguise the ladies application. If she had pressured the Gardai - there would be something too that. Absolutely i would grant that in a heartbeat.

    But it was above board. Everything official. The Gardai rejected, had the decision appealled, but the rejection was upheld.

    In a more publically engaging election cycle, this story has no legs.

    Thats my honest opinion.

    There are no mental Gymnastics at play here @awec . I have enough real reasons to criticize CC, based on policy, and political positions.

    Also in defence of the lady in question. Yes, she committed a crime. She served her time. Her debt to the state was paid. Thats how it works you know!? Unless the Journal gets hold of the story, and decides they need to get some clicks it seems.

    Again, i question the journalistic integrity, and editorial decision making of the Journal, for dragging her into a presidential campaign. Very poor, and more representative of their need to get readers engaged in a, thus far, boring low key election cycle.

    We can agree to disagree here. I stand by my position, and no doubt you stand by yours.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Also in defence of the lady in question. Yes, she committed a crime. She served her time. Her debt to the state was paid. Thats how it works you know!? 

    This is actually not how it works at all.

    Getting released from prison does not wipe the slate, it does not absolve you of all prior indiscretions. This is why Garda vetting exists, to ensure appropriate measures are taken to protected people.

    In the same way a convicted sex offender is never going to get a job in a school after their release, someone convicted of illegal possession of a weapon who clearly intended to commit a violent, armed robbery is not going to get a job in Leinster House pretty much straight away after leaving prison.

    Since their release from prison they could not possibly have demonstrated that they were no longer dangerous. Despite this, Catherine Connolly thought it was prudent to appeal the Garda decision. This is the real crux of the issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    On the other hand, this'll surely settle those nagging doubts among SF supporters about CC's 'republican credentials'



  • Administrators Posts: 55,643 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Also I would say this is totally different to her Hamas / Germany / Ukraine stuff. Those are political beliefs, she's entitled to hold them even if people disagree with them.

    This issue is just one of absolutely terrible judgement. It's not her political beliefs that saw her want to hire this person. Either she didn't understand the problem with hiring this person, or she understood it and didn't care.

    Neither paint a good picture. It's her naivety on serious issues coming to the fore again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Let me clarify then. I am not suggesting that she shouldnt have a record. Point of fact, she should and clearly does have a police record. And it was this that prevented her from being employed in government buildings.

    Comparing this situation to that of a sex offender is a glib move @awec . You are a smart sharp contributer to boards, you know well, just as do I, it is a TOTALLY different set of circumstances. That is the entire purpose of the sex offenders register. Statistics would suggest that sex offenders can present a danger after release. That was the whole argument from the register.

    There is no criminal register beyond a person having a criminal record. Which in this case, prevented her from getting a job in Leinster House. The system worked.

    Honestly its a strange turn-around for me to be defending CC, but this story, and the conclusions being drawn are baffling.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,155 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    You could argue that Gavin rehabilitated Dermo by bringing him back slowly. Getting more than a tune out of him. Top class management.

    Unfortunately those qualities are not required as POI.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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