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Who are buying all the new houses?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,748 ✭✭✭enricoh


    I couldn't care less what they pay, the English language schools are a racket. Our students have no accommodation as a result of it and college life is basically commuting for them. Past time the plug was pulled on it.

    No one delivers my curry, stench of xenophobia - is that the best u got?

    Do u live in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Or the poster who said very few homes in the open market yet they were at a development show house not a development selling off plan, and they met complete strangers, a couple in their 30 who told the poster they were cash buyers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,134 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    And it's the reason most people who are taught Irish or French are not able to speak it.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Talking about cash buyers, an estate agent agent down the country was saying recently a lot of cash buyers of apartments and holiday homes are retiring public servants, investing their tax free lump sum on retirement. Seems they get 18 months salary tax free on retirement, so say you were a professor or medical professional on 150,000 a year you have 225k to invest. That will still buy a decent property in some parts of the country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Yes, the PS pension lump-sum is 1.5x final salary, assuming 40 years service.

    This has always been the case.

    Any teacher with full service gets a pension lump-sum of about 120k.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Very few to no public service employees will have 40 years of service today, the employees would have to be permanently employed from the age of 25 most unlikely.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,076 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Many people start working in theior early twenties, or 23/24. But even for those with say only 39 years work, their pension and lump sum is 39/40 in other words 97.5 % of the full amount.

    And Gardai can still retire on full pension with full lump sum after 30 years of course I think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    Why do posters keep referencing the public service to every issue it's the same with the pension MFF it's either very odd or very Irish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There will still be plenty retiring between now and say 2030 that have the full 40 years service, relative to the number of properties for sale, which is tiny.

    Even if they have only done 30 yrs they can still get a big lump sum.

    If those lads are buying up properties with cash, that will continue to happen over the next number of years.

    True that this may not be the case for people aged under 40 today, but they wont affect retirement asset demand for another 30+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I haven't a clue what retired public workers are spending their money on, it's inventing enemies that are not there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    An estate agent working in the industry & saying it is happening suggests otherwise.

    As you said, you havent a clue what retired lads are spending their money on.

    The estate agent does know if they are spending it on holiday homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭headtheball14


    and loads of tech workers , finance and legal are getting bonuses or shares that are are also lump sums ?

    I don't see any reasons for waves of retirement in public sector workers with nothing else to do but buy second homes . and majority of them are not consultants or professors on 100k plus with 40 years service . it may be an issue in some small areas but it's not a driving factor in homes being bought



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    That's not, however, what happens. During the last downturn it was overwhelmingly Irish citizens that left Ireland while there was continued net inward migration of non-Irish citizens.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Who's buying all the houses on my estate? South Asians and Chinese. Now some of these may be naturalised Irish citizens, but for the purposes of this post Irish means born and raised here.

    There are 20 houses along our short road. When we moved in eight years ago, there was two Chinese families, one Spanish and one Portugese family. The rest were Irish. There is still the Spanish and Portugese. Eight houses have since been sold by the Irish families and each and every one of them was bought by either a Chinese or South Asian family. I have been told that there is a local Chinese property agent, who puts up Chinese families in nearby apartments, and they just wait for a house to come up for sale. They are cash buyers so can generally outbid anyone else. The South Asians have mortgages like everyone else, but generally have high income jobs (we have a lot of medical and tech professionals here).

    I don't mind at all. They make good neighbours. The South Asians are chatty and the Chinese keep to themselves. Their kids are well behaved and polite. All good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭James Bond Junior


    This was my experience buying last year. We won a bidding war against mainly south asians, the house was within walking distance of UHL so in demand with that demographic. That fell through and we then bought a house where the only other bidder was Chinese. Viewing up to that were almost all populated by Chinese and South Asians, very few Irish. These weren't new build houses in estates in mid to lower price brackets, we were fortunate to be buying in the higher end of the market so this may have skewed things somewhat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,813 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's just not sustainable. Not if you think that those who have been born and raised here, as their parents were before them should be able to put down permanent roots and start families too.

    We need limits on this like other countries do. Once we've sorted out our own housing needs, then we can start thinking about giving others opportunities as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    It's also just some anecdotes to be taken with a handful of salt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    Like most things economic, it's a supply-demand issue. If you can't sort out the supply (and it seems like we can't, at least in the short-medium run) then your only option is to look at the demand-side.

    Would it be all that bad if we reined in the growth in the economy? Wouldn't people be better off, if not financially then in terms of quality of life? We are at effective full employment, we have a large current account surplus (at least we would have if the money wasn't been thrown around like snuff at a wake), so who is really benefiting?

    We're at a point where you can't get a tradesman for love nor money, access to healthcare is severely curtailed, housing is a mess and still the attitude is drive on; more growth, more demand, where does it end? The next crash?

    It's not that the situation isn't being improved, it's that it's getting worse with no end in sight.

    If the government really cared about all this, then it would take steps, however small, to improve things by damping down demand whilst improving the supply-side, however long it takes.

    Politicians love 'growth' It makes getting elected easier. They have more money to spend, buying votes. The can say what they like about housing being the No 1 priority but they won't make any hard decisions to improve things, so how serious are they?

    What about:

    Reducing building standards to where they were 20 years ago to reduce the cost of new builds?

    Incentivise BP, local authorities, IW, ESB et al to improve and accelerate the planning and commencement process.

    Closing down bogus 'foreign language' schools

    Reducing places for foreign students on medical and dental courses.

    Severely restricting visas for 'knowledge' workers. Medical staff excepted, of course

    They wont do any of this because a) it looks racist b) it costs money and c) it might interfere with growth.

    Well, are you serious about solving the problems or not?

    At least we have the circus of the presidential election to keep us amused…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Refreshing to actually hear someone point out the fact that, yes, there are migrants competing for homes with people born in Ireland in some areas without making it out to be an apocalyptic hellscape scenario the way others do. I have friends and family living in Lucan and one of them does seem to kind of lightly complain about how many 'Indians' (bearing in mind they are not likely all from India) are living there — but when you try to explore the actual tangible concern there doesn't really seem to be one. They are neighbours who by and large cause no trouble and the concern seems to stem more so from the fact that there are simply a lot of them and they compete for school places and services (the irony of course being that if the estates were full of only people born in Ireland they would also require schools and services). In many ways the issue more so seems to be developments being rolled out with little care as to the provision of local services — and then migrants get blamed for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,700 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    They could change the taxation rules around shares and ETFs, so investing in things other than property becomes profitable, and increase the tax burden on property investment.

    That would change housing investment strategies overnight and would not be racist, likely make money, and won't interfere with growth.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,879 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    A very good point. I think it is being looked at in the budget.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    How do we solve the problem of our ageing population and the fact that "home grown" Irish are having children older and less of them? If we don't have immigration - and a good chunk of immigration, there will not be enough people working between the ages of 18 and 65 to subsidise pensions and welfare for the 65+ population.

    If there isn't immigration we will need to a) raise the age of retirement to 75 and b) put in place widespread free childcare, free medical care for under 16s, and proper free schooling, to encourage more births. Cost is a major reason why people stop at one or two children. But this will involve an increase in taxes for all. We can't rely on the windfall taxes because they're not going to last forever. And raising the retirement age will be hugely resisted.

    The fact is, no government is going to do either of the above things. What they can do is invest the windfall taxes in amenities that are required to support an increasing population. More schools, more GPs, more dentists, more emergency rooms, and above all else, more houses etc. But we'd need to vote in a left wing government. But most people can't get over their Sinn Fein veto, and the rest of the left parties are just damp squibs. So that's not going to happen either.

    The seemingly easy solution is "restrict people coming in", but actually that's just inflating an already massive problem. Immigration is a solution, not a problem. Appropriate support and amenities is the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    If your bath is overflowing do you leave the tap on?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    If your metaphor is presenting a false dichotomy do you double down on it anyway?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 343 ✭✭LastApacheInjun


    Let's take this analogy and run with it….

    I need a certain amount of water to take a bath (I need a certain amount of taxpayers to support my pensioners). Problem is the amount of water in the bath is getting smaller because the plug has been pulled (births not covering future taxation needs). So I turn on the tap (immigration) to replace that lost water (taxpayers). But oh no, my bath is overflowing! But that can't be right. I know that more water is going out the plug than coming in the tap. Wait a minute…. the water's not overflowing because of the tap, it's the bath that's getting smaller!! (services not expanding to cover the population requirements). I know, I'll turn off the tap. But sh*t, that didn't work, now I'm sitting in a too-small bath with no water left, freezing my t*ts off.

    It's not the tap. It's the size of the bath.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 708 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    Your taxes are paying for houses for welfare recipients so you can't buy a house for yourself.

    World is upside down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    You have been persuaded the problems of the world are caused by the poor, not the wealthy hoovering up all the assets and resources in the creation of a new feudal system where the masses work exclusively for the benefit of the few



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    My main point is that we can't or won't sort out the supply issue so the only alternative is to look at the demand side. If we had the infrastructure to cope with a large, immigrant-led increase in population, I would be all in favour of it as I believe that it would bring huge advantages. Of course there will be a lag between immigration and infrastructure improvements but I don't see any credible plan to manage this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,389 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Who's going to fill all the vacant positions? Most of our immigrants come from free travel area's in Europe and those that don't are given visas and are much needed.

    I suppose you could limit immigration,but health, construction,retail etc would grind to a halt.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,964 ✭✭✭Nermal


    The 'tangible concern' they have is that they are being replaced. They don't share this with you because of social pressure.



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