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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,867 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Other choices would be to vote for someone with no public achievement record behind them other than nominating Gemma O’Doherty………uhmmmm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,160 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think the fundamental idealistic parties can’t get the middle ground. Where the undecided voter lives.

    The middle ground is where people compromise. The Greens are willing to sacrifice themselves every few election cycles. They know they are not the middle ground. They know their place in the pecking order of ROI politics. Unlike SF.

    It really sticks in the diehard SF Republican craw that the majority of the Irish electorate still likes the middle ground in DE. The largest party trope does not work - if others don’t want to play with the new bully going to “big school”. While the bully’s Mammy and Daddy live in an other jurisdiction. That is the electorates democratic right. Not to like the bully.

    I read a diehard Republican posters history on the politics section. It was FF FG this FF FG that. Digs all over the shop.

    The truth is - If the left alliance cannot even win against poor FF and FG candidates in a presidential election with a low turnout - what does that say for their hopes in DE?

    And the gas part is the “largest party in Ireland” could not even field its own candidate palatable for the ROI. Yet they are supposedly “leaders” on the left?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There are all sorts of loony left and right types in German politics and media. Doesn't make what they are saying true. Imagine someone abroad reading a John Waters piece and thinking it was a fair analysis of the political situation here…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,626 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     loony left and right types

    Just stick a scary label on it because you wish to deny it.

    Fact - it is not just CC's opinion.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,798 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Just so you know, I stupidly voted for FG for 20 years. Until 2016. I will never vote FG again. I have never voted SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Was that the closest Gavin came to 'absolutely destroying' the older woman?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,716 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    She is liked in the city which is full of people just like her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,160 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Oh right I was around in Salthill when the Dubs visited this year in the championship. Was thinking it definitely is a world away from the relations farm in Galway.

    As a Dub I never really consider the “townies” from Galway City, Versus the Galway farmers. Until I see it first hand or if the cousins mention xyz is a “townie”.

    I never thought of that for the Connolly vote in that Galway context.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Again - just because more than one person shares an opinion does not make it correct. Remember this is the country that spent two decades+ pretending that Russia were nice blokes they could do business with.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,626 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And just because you have an 'opinion' doesn't make you correct.

    BTW, the reps of the two governing parties last night were quite happy their parties were 'doing business' with Russia up until the second invasion of Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,160 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well for me FF and SF in DE elections- are ones I never voted for. Let’s just say historical reasons.

    But with the collapse of Labour, my choice of an effective DE vote narrowed over time. Independents get my no1 now.

    I would love there to be a stable left of centre candidate in these Presidential elections, with focus on Irish issues.

    But that choice does not seem there. Posters above are on about Russia now!

    I couldn’t even list the Russian alphabet. But I know J, K, Q, V, W, X, Y, Z are not in the Irish alphabet.

    .

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 835 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    She probably won't. She'll get the most first preference vote by a large amount. Gavin will get eliminated and the bulk of people that vote for him will have HH number two and she'll get in as a result I would say. In essence it's Connolly against the other two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,568 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    Connolly has a much wider support base than just the younger demographic from what I can see. As for the parents, it obviously depends. However Gavins GAA ties aren't as big a positive as MM had been hoping for. A lot of people are sick and tired of FF and FG and the last couple of elections have borne that out with neither having the success of past party outings. They've essentially become the one party. I don't think presidential elections go down party voting lines anyways..... particularly when it's obvious Gavins selection has definitely ruffled feathers within the party.

    A lot of crap will be flung around in the next 4 weeks from all sides, so there is a long way to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,568 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    I don't think the electorate in general have as much time for FF/FG or will be voting down party lines as many would think.

    It is down to how they come across on these debates and the preconceived opinions people have on them already, I believe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    No time like the present, or at least when the next General Election is held. A vote for SF or one of the other parties in the progressive left leaning alliance in order of your choice is what I’d recommend 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The reason that Germany are rearming is to protect countries like us and people like you from Russia. That there may be an economic gain is a side-effect, not a reason, and certainly not the conspiracy theory rationale that Connolly is putting forward.

    If Connolly is not pro-Putin, she is definitely an unwitting puppet of his. She repeats his lies about NATO provoking him to invade Ukraine, denying countries like Latvia, Estonia and others their democratic right to join NATO. She only likes democracy when it gives the right result, and like Putin and other dictators will happily claim legitimacy from a 20-year old election like she did for Hamas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Yes. She’ll have to beat the two of them put together. We’ll need to get the young vote out and trounce them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,798 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Aragh will you go back to bed. Russia ain't attacking NATO anytime soon. Putin said he would take Kiev in 3 days. A few drones and you are building WW3 bunkers. Where do you read this 'war is imminent' hype?

    People need to just pay their Boards subscription and the world will be just fine 😉

    Smearing Connolly re Putin/Hamas must be fun. Daily frolics. Even when you know it's untrue. Integrity...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    More lies. She is not anti democratic in any shape or form. She is not a puppet for Putin. It’s not Russia all bad USA and the West all Good, you don’t really believe that do you. Is Putin a despot, yes definitely. Is he a dictator and anti democratic, yes definitely. Should Russia be invading Ukraine, no of course not and that’s what Connolly is saying that they shouldn’t be invading Ukraine in the first place. She’s not equivocal about Hamas either. Saying they’d be involved in peace negotiations is just pointing out a fact.

    Are we turning into Trump’s USA here where people get attacked for merely pointing out facts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,160 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    What about the middle undecided/ambivalent vote?

    Even at this early stage it seems most of the regular posters on this thread, know exactly who they are voting for no1 at least.

    The people Connolly needs to convince are not here. I still can’t see any broad appeal she has beyond her core support base. Given her utterances thus far.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,862 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Among many occasions, on 13th November 2021, Putin appeared on the primary state television channel Russia-1 and denied that notable military buildups in southern Russia and Belarus were anything but routine, and part of the Russian military's programme of exercises. He said such claims were "alarmist nonsense".

    That was 101 days before his forces crossed the northern and eastern Ukrainian borders and the invasion began.

    So stop embarrassing yourself, Cluedo. Nobody is buying your nonsensical takes.

    Europe's only course of action is to hope for the best, but prepare for the very worst, especially with America no longer any sort of reliable partner.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,495 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Says here Merz soon to be Chancellor in Germany is literally saying that rearming will boost the German economy.

    That is literally not in that article. You just made it up. Other people said it, but that is because that is what analysts do. You can not possibly remotely understand the contentious nature of defence funding in Germany and think that they just randomly picked now to use it as defacto economical stimulus. It defies reason.

    The War Dividend experts are calling it.

    Yes. In deliberate contrast to "The Peace Dividend" that was proclaimed after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Soviet Union. It is a literary flourish, not a call to war.

    What is in the article and is far more relevant is this:

    First, there is a difference in scale between what Kaiser Wilhelm and then Hitler did and what Merz is proposing now. According to Tooze, military spending accounted for about 3.3% of German GDP in 1913 (compared to 3.0% for the U.K.). As in many things, Hitler was an aberration. In 1938, he poured 20.5% into his arms complex, while France and Britain belatedly attempted to catch up with 8%.

    Germany currently spends about 2% of its wealth on defense (much the same as the U.S. under FDR in 1938). It’s aiming to meet a U.S.-set target of 5%. This is an immense escalation, but nothing compared to Hitler’s war economy. To quote Tooze:

    It is not Nazi rearmament but British appeasement-era levels of spending that offer a sensible reference point for Europe today. Nazi rearmament spending was unbalanced, helter-skelter, lacked strategic direction and stirred the German military leadership to the edge of mutiny.

    Beyond that, history offers examples where, to use Merz’s words, "strength deters aggressors, while weakness invites aggression.” Despite NATO’s current unpopularity in the U.S., it allowed the west to win the Cold War and kept the peace in Europe for almost 75 years. Deterrence worked. Nobody has used a nuclear weapon since Nagasaki.

    The comparison's to Nazi Germany remain both grotesque and utterly flawed on every conceivable level. But she has now tripled or quadrupled down on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    How do you know there isn’t broad appeal for her utterances as you put it? Maybe like me enough of the electorate will come to the conclusion that you know what I don’t always agree with absolutely everything she says, and sometimes she sails close to the wind; but she’s got balls, she’s got integrity and she speaks well and will represent the country well.

    She has experience as a politician as well and if she gets in she’ll know what to do and what to say and not say as the President. She’s the outstanding candidate. She should win and hopefully will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,981 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    A person who compares the modern German government to the Nazis should not be given a role in Irish public life. The electorate got rid of Wallace and Daly and needs to send the same message here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭almostover


    Good summary of the current state of play and the bookies seem to agree. HH slight favourite at 5/4 (1.25) and CC a very close second at 11/8 (1.38) Gavin has drifted way out to 10/3 (3.33) now.

    It's hard to know if Gavin doing poorly helps HH or CC? Does it mean more 1st prefs for the other government candidate or do people transfer their vote to CC? Im leaning towards it being good for HH, essentially less of a split of the centrist vote. Despite CC being the best on last night's debate her position on certain foreign affairs topics make her unpalatable to the traditional middle of the road voter.

    What's key to CC being successful will be voter turnout, if it's low she's goosed. She needs a high turnout in the under 40s cohort. If the younger voter is disengaged then HH will most likely win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,160 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Well how do I know? It seems very lefty to me more towards the PBP direction. The stuff that politically engaged students love. Not very cuddly stuff.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Duplicate .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen



    https://amp.dw.com/en/will-german-military-spending-spree-bring-economic-growth/a-73125966


    Ok maybe Merz didn’t say it literally, or I can’t find where he literally word for word said it, another article above where it is saying that rearming can play a role in boosting an economy. This is not new information.


    Connolly is against spending money on arms is the bottom line here. So am I. Call me an idealist but I’d prefer money and resources to be spent on anything other than arms.

    Is the comparison with 1930’s risky and a bit over the top? Maybe. I like the message and it’s good that criticism of Germany will hurt them and remind them of their past and responsibilities. Their guilt about their past with the Jews in WW2 has left the pathetically unable to legitimately criticise Israel the present. The Germans need to grow up, they’re not above criticism.

    As I said slightly risky from Connolly but she’s generally well informed (much better than the other two candidates at any rate) and I’ll vote for her because of her stance on issues like that as opposed to the opposite. When she’s in (if she gets in) much like Higgins I’d imagine she’ll be sailing a little bit safer towards the wind but still won’t be afraid to speak her mind.

    The outstanding candidate. No question about it.



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