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UK Digital IDs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Reform don't want digital ID's as it might actually do something about illegal immigration their main hobbyhorse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,461 ✭✭✭JVince


    aontu is a party in the Republic of Ireland. It's has no say in what the United Kingdom does.

    tobin and his small motley crew will find fault with absolutely anything in order to create publicity

    Some stupid people fall for the rubbish he spouts, thankfully most decent people don't



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,821 ✭✭✭✭ctrl-alt-delete


    A digital ID card is not going to allow the UK to have any further control over its borders, so I am not sure why it is being bundled into the conversation around it.

    There are already ways and means of knowing who is in the country and who is allowed in the country, the money should be pumped into shoring that up.

    I do agree that separate from that it would help with shoring up access to services that you might be entitled to when you legally live and work in the country. I'd like to see some effort put into ensuring the legal benefit scroungers are vilified as much as the supposed illegal ones.

    Then you have the whole area of data security, which doesn't seem so secure these days even on a governmental level. I can't help but think that the Digital ID idea is itself a trojan horse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,265 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Aontu run in NI. They do really badly, but they run



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Think there was something about immigrants using other people's National Insurance Number,but if they're working off the books anyway it ain't going to matter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    It's the usual political "solution" to moral panic that various UK governments over the decades have run with. It does not actually solve anything, but it becomes the basis of a cottage industry in forging or stealing IDs. This is already an issue with fake driver licenses (even in Ireland) and compromised IT systems across multiple domains. Last successful ID card the UK had was World War II when it was tied to food rationing, it was dropped sometime in the fifties along with the rationing system. Topic satirised decades ago in Yes Minister as the "europass"


    Given the relationship various UK politicians have with organized lobby groups, there are bound to be wealthy IT entrepreneurs offering incentives to politicians in the expectation of contracts heading their way. A not insignificant portion of the UKs population have always been indifferent or hostile to identity cards, they resent excessive intrusion by authoroties going about their daily business.

    In Ireland we have the "Public Services Card", which you need to complete transactions with state organizations otherwise waste hours of your time sitting in various offices working though the paperwork. We must also have a driver license with us at all times when using vehicles on the road. In Ireland we have not gotten to the "Papieren Bitte!" stage, though we had a close call with Covid lockdowns and concerns over "vaccination status" that in the end did not materialise.

    Seen in the context of recent years post-covid political developments in the UK. It's is a foolish gambit to blunt the advance of the "Reform" party, and if implemented the population will perceive it as targeting them, not the migrants fueling the latest moral panic.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I think there was a similar clutching of of the pearls here over the Public Services Card. Most of Europe operate a national ID system the UK and ourselves are outliers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 930 ✭✭✭buzzerxx


    Ironically a passport is required to attain a digital ID and nearly all immigrants don't have one of those. 



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,597 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    All good points. There will most likely some petition forming against it, which it already seems to be happening.

    The thing is personally I am not against a "Papiere bitte" and "weisen sie sich aus" culture in "ze German style" nor do I have some sort of "mass surveilance" problem.

    I also have nothing agains some kind of biometric ID card which makes access to government services like online tax declarations or some other things more secure, - registering a car, registering to vote, etc….. "Ze German Personalausweis" does offer that option as well as far as I know.

    What bothers me is that "smartphone crazyness" and that this kind of digital solution most likely makes a smart phone mandatory, regardless if 90% of the population have one or not. I am clearly against that.

    I still use a pay as you go phone, which is registered with Vodafone UK. British smart phone contracts do have an issue with roaming especially post Brexit, plus I don't fancy the extra monthly bills for a smart phone as well.

    Thus I have the opionion, why not use a British passport? It's already biometric. Employers and HR require it. And if not British, a passport copy with the relevant visa is required, most likely also biometric these days. ( like those ILR cards they issue these days)

    This idea of a new digital ID seems just another crazy political idea which solves nothing, costs taxpayer money, least of all migrants arriving in boats or working illegally.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Given the relationship various UK politicians have with organized lobby groups, there are bound to be wealthy IT entrepreneurs offering incentives to politicians in the expectation of contracts heading their way.

    Rumoured that Multiverse is going to get the lucrative contract - set up by Tony Blairs son, Euan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    The donation scandal surrounding Sir Keir Starmer’s top aide, explained

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    The complaint related to late-declared donations by Labour Together, of which Mr McSweeney is a former director. source

    Throw a dead cat on the table...standard political tactic, used very effectively by the Trump administration (e.g paracetamol). Throw so much stuff out there, knowing media can only have one headline on the frontpage. What else is going on? Lot of turmoil lately in the UK Labour party. Keir's worst nightmare as Angela Rayner's allies 'plot comeback with Labour leadership rival Andy Burnham'… while Cabinet minister vows to support Manchester mayor 'whatever he does'

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Bluffer in chief cannot answer the basic questions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    There is a reason there are no identity cards in Britain, the populations experience with them when they did exist during WWII was very big brother (rationing), that's why they got dumped. It's become a third rail issue in British politics, one that is always there in the background, but that few politicians dare pass. You can tell by Starmers responses to questions that this has been thrown out there quickly as "red meat" to distract the hounds from other issues that could end his political career, otherwise he would be all over the brief.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,767 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    The thing about the rubber boats is that they disappear when reaching the coast of England and it’s well known that they are loaded into truck containers and taken back to France for the next load of migrants to paddle across the channel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    And Starmer and his Labour cronies couldn't even answer those basic questions when put to them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,136 ✭✭✭corkie


    @Pa ElGrande In Ireland we have the "Public Services Card", which you need to complete transactions with state organizations otherwise waste hours of your time sitting in various offices working though the paperwork.

    https://www.mygovid.ie/en-IE ~ For accessing services online, recently used it to renew my own and a relatives

    'Public Services Card'

    And by next year the below will be rolled out, probably incorporating our digital driving license (that suppose be out this year).

    Ireland

    : The Irish government, under the EU’s eIDAS 2.0 regulation, plans to launch a digital driving license (“mDL”) by the end of 2025, slightly later than originally scheduled. This digital license will be accessible via a dedicated government digital wallet app and will be officially recognized by Gardaí. Physical licenses will remain available, making participation optional for those who prefer not to use digital solutions. 

    https://ec.europa.eu/digital-building-blocks/sites/spaces/EUDIGITALIDENTITYWALLET/pages/694487738/EU%2BDigital%2BIdentity%2BWallet%2BHome

    ^^ It says it will be optional, but with the latest in online age verification, it maybe required to access some online services etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,935 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Over two million people have now signed the petition against the introduction of digital id cards. Not that the Government cares about the petition, but the opposition is building a head of steam.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Terrier2023


    the digital ID will come here but not yet too much heat on it in the UK. We will more than likely have it just planted on us like the migration pact without any discussion. I think the heat in the UK is very good as it wakes some more people up to the dystopian future where a little card dictates your travel based on carbon foot prints, your electricity usage, food purchases. Its all in the WEF literature but like the vaccine people are not prepared to go down the rabbit hole & they just accept anything for peace !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    It's in use in practically every European country. Why is everything a conspiracy?

    The Brits simply want it to curb illegal immigration.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Terrier2023


    if you have a driving license, a passport, a medical card a public service card why do you need anything else !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Terrier2023


    it wont curb anything an employer paying sub standard wages will never look for identity that is how he gets his workers, they want work he wants cheap labour no identification needed. Will they digitally ID the guys with no passports in the dinghys who are they then whoever they like ? BS this is the last gate before we are totally under the one world banking & governing systems !Wake up !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Illegal immigration. You need one to work, it'll have a photo and your insurance number

    Our PSC is mainly for social services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The Brits simply want it to curb illegal immigration.

    How will it do that exactly?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,412 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,767 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    I dunno, maybe you'll need an insurance number to work and they'll put that number on the card with your photo. If you're illegal I'm guessing you won't be able to get a National Insurance Number.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,265 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    You already need an NI number to work.

    Most illegal immigrants who are working are not doing so in the legit economy and their employers are not checking for NI numbers and will not be checking for BritCards either.

    That name is going to ensure ~45% of the population of NI won't touch one with a bargepole too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,660 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Everything is already in place to curb illegal working. If a business want to employ people illegally then they will do that irrespective of a digial ID requirement.

    From the UK government website

    https://www.gov.uk/apply-national-insurance-number/how-to-apply

    How to apply

    To get a National Insurance number you need to apply online. You’ll need to prove your identity when you apply.

    What documents you’ll need

    If you have any of the following documents, get them ready before you start:

    • a passport from any country
    • a national identity card from an EU country or from Norway, Liechtenstein or Switzerland

    You might need to enter information from one or more of these documents.

    You can still apply if you do not have any of these documents, but you may need to attend an appointment in person to prove your identity.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,412 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've a job interview tomorrow and they've twice asked for copies of my passport. I don't know what this digital thing is supposed to contribute.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 228 ✭✭Terrier2023




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