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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You haven't a notion of voting anyone except HH.

    HH came across as the best candidate? She said nothing all night. Only one winner.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 570 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    So, nothing to back up your claim. Just as expected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Noticed the Clare Byrne show played her faux pas/reveal on the OTB as the selected clip of the debate this AM.
    HH is a liability tbh, when forced off the saccharine 'hail fellow well met' script she is liable to say anything. Same with Gavin.

    That is because they are not selling themselves, they are selling a scripted version.
    Connolly is being herself IMO and did much better as a result.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some thoughts on reflection:

    Cuddihy gave them all a soft ride. Were he to push on questions he would have made them all look very bad. Maybe time was the issue but he allowed them to all avoid direct questioning.

    CC was nervous and made a couple of minor omissions in sentences but nobody really seemed to notice. More comfortable, generally clearer and smarter than her opponents. She knows her voters and got across most of what she wanted to say.

    JG I kinda felt sorry for as he's just not capable of dealing with confrontational questioning. Doesn't mean that he couldn't fulfil the role as he wouldn't be dealing with that sort of stuff when in office. I think he's inherently a decent guy and I could deal with him in office if he didn't push a non-neutrality narrative. Can't see his coronation happening though as he'll almost certainly finish third.

    HH is just poor. She says nothing and sooner or later she'll be strongly pushed on her governmental role, housing, her 3 years of not learning Irish as Gaeltacht minister (CC will bring that up if nobody else does), legal interference, declaration of property use changes, etc. She doesn't come across as sincere and is easily the worst candidate though may win which is stupefying.

    I think they'll all get pushed harder in later debates. And I expect CC to handle is best. JG may lose his temper, never a good look but he may already have had enough.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Funny. I was about to say similar, but decided to let your half-take of what diplomacy actually entails as just wordplay.

    Looking forward to one of the three from last night sitting down with Putin, Zelensky, Hamas and Netanyahu at some point to sort things out. Maybe have a bash at that Christian slaughter going on in Nigeria as chief diplomat. Just in case Mickey hasn't sorted it out by November, after all, he has that tree-planting ceremony to go to.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    With your skewed take on diplomacy a career in the Dept of FAs ain't for you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    The president should be both a representative of the state and should have empathy for those caught up in the housing issue and those in Gaza or any serious problems, local or global, but should have no opinion on how it should be solved; that's not their role, and most definitely no opinion on the governments of the day or any opnion on policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That's not how it works. If you want to maximise support for a candidate then give them your no.1.

    Thought the presenter was awful last night, let CC speak uninterruptedly for ages several times, kept interrupting the other two but particularly HH. Clearly he wanted to attack her about the government's record but the other two have the luxury of never being in government or having to make a hard decision.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah, sectarianism again, she's not a member.

    Also shows you haven't been paying much attention as it's far from the first time she's said she's a republican.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,542 ✭✭✭floorpie


    People have rose tinted glasses on when it comes to previous candidates and debates, which have been a joke since 1990 to my recollection. Based on last night, none of them are poor, but there's no standout as has usually been the case. They're all fine, ranked against all candidates from the last 40 years.

    On the other hand, I didn't like the chair, particularly with injecting his own views rather than facilitating a debate. Pressing everyone to disavow anything contrary to his own views on flags was perhaps the only moment that will change any votes, and I think will materially affect turnout. Everything else was as expected. CC clearly best fits Ireland's mould for presidents.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,873 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    There should be a non of the above option and if it wins they have to find new candidates. CC is the best speaker, unfortunately what she says is often mental especially on foreign policy.

    HH is so poor, says nothing of substance and cannot answer a question directly.

    But JG, my God he is worse than I ever could have imagined. Like a malfunctioning robot. What the hell was MM doing pushing him, Kelleher would have won imo but certainly a million times better than JG.

    SF as well what the hell were they thinking not running a candidate, against this sort of competition they may never have a better chance.

    Very clear to see why the establishment were so worried of someone else getting on the ballot, based on last night, Steen or Sheridan would have gotten a sizable vote.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Twas said in jest as so very absurd and surreal. I don't give a monkey's what her upbringing or religion was, only what she's done in her political life.

    For the record she has said several times that she is in favour of reunification but first labelled herself as a Republican three days ago. Will it get her the SF vote?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,470 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I'd agree about the candidate comparison.
    People seem to think that a different selection of candidates would see different topics for debates. There wouldn't be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gibberish

    The President has a vital role, to protect the Constitution against the Government. Its demise can't just be announced either, we'd need a referendum and that would involve so much change to the Constitution we'd practically have to scrap it and start again, and it's pretty much impossible to see any government ever proposing this never mind it passing.

    The money involved is tiny. The government spends ~€120 billion per year.

    Harris is Minister for Foreign Affairs so of course he is visiting other countries 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,907 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I think you weren't watching the same debate I was. He interrupted HH because she wasn't answering any questions. Like Ronan Keating her motto was "you say it best when you say nothing at all". The presenter interrupted the other two plenty.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ah, the old 'I was just joking'.

    She's been saying that for weeks.

    SF don't own republicanism.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭LastFridayNight


    HH went into this debate as the safe choice and did nothing to damage that. She’ll need better lines on govt policy/performance questions however or will lose potential votes.

    CC didnt offer much to the SF supporters which was a miss. She did the best as a debater but her foreign policy notions are worrying and will put a majority off i would think.

    JG clearly out of his depth still. Wild candidate choice from FF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Well TBH, If I was interested in said career I'd probably go and talk to the head diplomatic honchos of the department. That would be the political office of the minister for Foreign Affairs and the general managment of the Secretary General for starters. I certainly know it would be a waste of my time reaching out to the 'chief diplomat' of Ireland.

    It's OK to qualify your initial statement FWIW. In fact, if you go back to the first post you can see how it's attempted, as opposed to a "Simple" oversimplification. Which is ironic given the relatively clear job description for the Head of State.

    Anyway, have a grand day. There is very little to be gained arguing semantics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,720 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The question should not be such a hardline "which one do you want" because that would require no fewer than a hundred candidates. The question should be "which one do you feel closer resembles your views" and vote accordingly. A "none of the above" option simply wouldn't work. You could easily see a vast majority of single-candidate voters putting that as their second preference and we'd never get a president.

    I'd take the view that all 3 candidates have shown to me in yesterdays debate that they can all do the job of president, and they would all do it well. This is a direct result of the selection criteria we have and the independence required of the job.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If still keen on the career then said research wouldn't go awry.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I find Connolly alarming in her views and even language from my conservative perspective- things like “the Ukraine” are subtle but they diminish it back to the days of being a soviet satellite. Her go to cards of attacking America are tiresome and predictable, they’re frankly dangerous when so much of our economic model is tied up in US FDI and exports. I can see the FG strategists will definitely sit down and attack Connolly on this from here on in as it’s one the public would worry about. It’s easy for her ilk to pontificate but so many of our livelihoods depend on American trade



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,512 ✭✭✭HalloweenJack


    Just saw snippets of the post-debate interviews there.

    Very small sample size but CC seemed far more confident of her points, HH waffling uncertainly and Gavin acting like a clown, admitting his own inexperience and trying to shrug it off with a smile and a jokey tone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,139 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    If Connolly gives it a bloody rest about Russia and Gaza and the West are baddies, and concentrates on national and local Ireland issues AND plans, she could romp it.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Give me asource from 3/4 weeks ago where she used the word Republican to describe herself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    She can’t though as these are her calling cards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,434 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    So only certain religious persuasions on this island can be republican? And so what if she was a member of the Orange Order? I thought we were all about being a multicultural country now, people from any country of birth, religion or culture is ok and should be embraced, that seems to be the preference of many who champion multiculturalism.
    Or is it just that a multi-cultural population is ok as long as any presidential candidate does not have a strong faith or allegiance to either of the two main religions on the island? Many happy to see Steen excluded from the ballot for having very strong catholic views and it seems there are plenty who would dismiss HH purely for being Presbyterian if the recent media coverage about her religion is anything to go by. So many folks who are not really accepting the mantra of difference enriching us, but still like to preach it. It’s confusing.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I don't care what her religion is nor what it might become. I've no interest in creeds of any kind and the island is improving by slowly but surely shedding us of them and their influence.

    In terms of HH what I take exception to is her conspicuous insincerity, evident in almost all answers last night.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,580 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    they’re all going to have to do that - CC is just misery personified - she would be a dreadful president - we need energy and enthusiasm - if JG lossens up a bit and stop the rehearsed hand movements and tells all the wonderful ideas he has for the presidency instead of behaving like a robot - I might just vote for him - HH is probably a bit too cautious and she found herself defending the govt yesterday when really she should ignore those questions and get on with her presidential speil



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,702 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Prepared to be even more reckless than they currently are with the economy, so a party member can get tvis ceremonial role. Pathetic... nearly as pathetic as the candidates....



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