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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,450 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭jackboy


    He is representing FF so he will not be allowed to say anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,002 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Probably was the single biggest issue, certainly played a bigger part than one would expect given our geographical distance and the fact that we have nothing to do with the situation.

    Bizarre when you step back and think about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Was it the hypnotic hand movements or the spoofy answers?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,191 ✭✭✭secman


    Before the debate i was lamenting the extraordinary poor choice of candidates.....after the debate and I include the presenter....I am desperately sad for the lack of respect by the various parties to chose a suitable nomination for "President of Ireland" to represent our country on the global stage for the next 7years. (even worse) *edited

    I am a firm believer in casting your vote , this is definitely going to challenge me.... will vote, but right now it's a first time ever spoiling vote, we shall see ....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,581 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Excellent points. And look, we’re not here to baby sit candidates - they asked for the chance so they need to prove it - but it’s funny, I hadn’t considered voting for Jim to date - but if he can do as you describe he might go up in the polls -I’m not voting CC that’s for certain - drab dreary moany and wants to import all of the worlds problems to Ireland - and completely undiplomatic -get lost it’s not happening - it’s Heather or Jim- both terrible candidates and I wouldn’t have given them a second look in previous elections but we are where we are - I might go JG 1 HH2 - simply to try and maximise support for HH when JG gets eliminated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    FF and FG are pro immigration, so all 3 candidates are pro immigration

    FF and FG don't think we need more prisons as they have had over a decade, and the only one that was being thought about getting built was shelved by FF and FG, so again all 3 candidates don't want more prisons



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,218 ✭✭✭Deeec


    Jim Gavin is way out of his depth. He shouldn't be running as a candidate at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Even though has little to do with the Áras from a planning or decision process, anyone who thinks Ireland doesn't require a new prison when directly asked needs to give their head a wobble. The problem with Connelly, is that her head is so full of holes and devoid of real-world logic in near every thought her brain would fall out if she attempted that. Can't recall if the same direct question was put to the other two, as they probably just parlayed the usual party line around under resourced Guards etc..........not to mention Jim, when he's not pointing his hands, telling us he's walking up and down O'Connell Street night and day wearing a cape. Certainly know their backers aren't arsed about the rule of law.

    Any political option at an election who really gets behind the building of a new prison alongwith massive practical crackdowns around law and order would do very, very well at any ballot box as far as this voter is concerned.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is whether they support the building of a new prison or not or if we need more Garda on the streets, is it really relavent in a presidential debate?

    The President is just a figurehead, they have no input into government, they will be wheeled out for meets and greets and give government approved speeches and the sign legislation into law or refer it to the Supreme court. This crap about being a President for all or Jim Gavin saying he will help communities, How? Yes he can go visit the community, meet the kids, open a new facility but that's it, he won't have a budget, he won't have the ear of the Taoiseach because all FF/FG want is their own puppet in the Aras.

    Effectively we are electing a figurehead, not dissimilar to King Charles just less pomp and ceremony, where they will get to live in a big house in the park for 7 years.



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    Crime going down despite all the lies from home and abroad. So why build more prisons if not to jail people for possession of hash or other minor offences? The exact point Connolly was making alongside getting more community police. That'll chime with the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,955 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Theres only 1 certainty after that debate, the standard of the candidates is at an all time low.

    Thinking of spoiling my vote too. Terrible candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,424 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Is it going down or are people just not reporting it because maybe they think what's the point, either the Gardaí will do nothing except log it in the system or if they do do something and catch the person then the courts will wag their finger and say don't do that again.

    Also how will Catherine Connolly or any of the other candidates going to get more Gardaí or community policing? They are not in government and have no input into government so this is all just a load of soundbites.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Fave moment had to be when HH declared herself to be a Republican. They'll have whooped and hollered at that in her local Orange Lodge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Having said that, he has always been fairly bland in GAA too. His Dublin teams kind of reflected that quietly effective and efficient style — and in his interviews and TV appearances he very much came across as a cool headed pilot more so than a passionate type. The guy's the Chief Operations Officer for Irish Aviation — he just isn't going to bring that academic style that characterised Robinson, McAleese and Higgins.

    My issue with Gavin more so however (and I guess is close to what you're getting at too) is that he doesn't seem believable as a candidate — like to the point he also doesn't even seem really believe in his own candidacy. He seems wooden and his answers on things seem formulaic and lacking in sincere critical thought. At the very least, Connolly seems to have convictions on things that she can articulate, whether one agrees with them or not.

    To be honest though, I look at the three candidates and all I can say is that the absence of a particular woman really hits home — and it's not Maria Steen, it's Deirde Heenan. Granted she's relatively unknown in the South but is probably one of the most articulate political commentators out there and seems fairly adept at the politics of conciliation. Could be my Northern bias, but she would have been a top candidate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    What does quizzing about Gaza, Ukraine and Europe's military spending have to do with office either ? After all, that comprised of about near 70% of the debate last night.

    It was a rubbish debate, but the questions give a salient insight into the thought process of the individuals, or at least attempt to. It's an opportunity to see if a candidate is honest, true and holds relevant values that can resonate with their potential voter. Even if you don't agree with their stance, you can also ascertain how far a bridge could be built across that divide, if at all. It also, more relatably, gives an idea about their overall mindset given previous public stances and pre-concieved notions. Connelly is, regrettably, exactly what was on the box - lives on a different planet with little grasp on reality and what exists outside her echo chambers, Heather tried to keep quiet (and for good reason) for much of last night bar her closing opportunity, leaving Gavin as the only unknown quantity of the group. If we had of known he'd be a Martin clone with a battery-operated lever action on his hands, sure what would be the point ?

    FWIW, my closing line about a political option doing potentially well in an election with regard to policy around law and order is about elections in general. Not only this. We all know what the office and its purvue entails and it'll be a sad day when one of those on show last night is rewarded so.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    She didn't say Ireland doesn't need another prison. She said they are overcapacity already. Her point is that they are not the only solution.

    FFG will probably build a new one in 20 years. After the Metro and Galway bypass.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,121 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Well, I don't know, the role of the President isn't really a bread and butter one — it's more about being a voice and a thought leader on various themes, including international relations.

    From that perspective, I don't think it's that bizarre that Palestine activates something in Irish people. Our entire national identity is predicated to a large extent on the awareness of having been a people who were the expendable, disposable plaything of the global power of the time. Our songs, poetry, stories, national heroes, sense of national tragedies derive from the overall theme of the subjugation and attempted wiping out of Irish people (whether by death, effective expulsion or the erosion of our dignity and culture).

    Many of us see another people having the same fate inflicted upon them, backed by the global power of our time, and it activates something in us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    I would go with figurehead rather than diplomat if putting a general use term on the role TBH.

    Ceremonial diplomat at a push. But Head of State is most accurate.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Roles not mutually exclusive.

    Who welcomes visiting dignitaries and represents us abroad?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,912 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Well said. Connolly has repeatedly said that we have a unique neutral voice in the world, given our dark history, that we should cherish and use to help solve other conflicts or highlight injustices.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    She is quite the opposite of wise.

    I think that Catherine won the debate if we were electing the President of Gaza. We are not, she is certifiable on the issue. When talking about Russia, she was crying that we hadn't mentioned the genocide yet.

    Though I am voting for Jim Gavin, it was clear to me that HH came across as the best candidate last night. She will win it unless Jim ups his game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Well, she actually said we're over capacity and "we haven't enough prisons", and then asked about three or four times if we need more especially seeing as how the population has increased, simple yes or no would suffice...........to which the usual wishy-washy line about 'how more prisons arent the answer, we've never looked at the root causes' etc. Typical open-minded idealism that is closer to what the ruling classes persist with than she probably realises TBH.

    It's an opportunity to have a bullet-point to a section of debate, and one that would resonate with voters looking for proper direction from a potential public figure. She went the other way. Probably gained a few votes with the multiple conviction crowd all the same, so not all lost.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,514 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Just a glance at her wikipedia entry will tell you all you need to know and if you still want to vote with her that stupidity will be on you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,387 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    Semantics. When we require our diplomats to negotiate trade and cultural deals or, God forbid, negotiating in a conflict resolution, and the other side request our chief diplomat, we don't ring up the Park and get Higgins on the line

    Now, if we need someone to shake a few hands, receive credentials and get the visitor's book signed, we have just the lad for that.

    You can say chief diplomat fine, but that doesnt make it strictly true or accurate.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You seem not to fully understand diplomacy. The head diplomat in the UK is their king. MDH fulfils that role here.

    He's also head of the Armed Forces yet he ain't donning a flak jacket and taking on invading forces from the sky. He'll leave that to Jim.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    I think you are right, he seems over coached and not natural or comfortable in being able to answer. He really didnt handle the barb that CC threw at him around his comments about israels military objectives - i think those were taken out of context but he still got flustered and that should have been a very easy question and foreseeable one to have a response to.

    He also made some vague references to the constitution and I think a better moderator would have pushed him harder on the specifics of what he was referring to (that goes for all of them tbh). Id be very worried if i was jim and was going up against Sarah McInerney for example



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