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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,997 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    From the mistakes in the past of building large single-tenure social houusing estates, it is Govt policy to not repeat those mistakes.

    CC should know that.

    That is part of the reason why the LA are no longer building large estates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,580 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I thought Steen might have challenged the other 3 in terms of their performance - but I can see this evening that they’re doing quite badly without any challenge 😀

    Catherine and Heather did good enough 30 second summaries at the end - Poor Jim wasn’t at the races 😀

    It’s a two horse race definitely - Heather or Catherine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Debate was good craic if nothing else!

    Thought Catherine was the most impressive, Heather was fine and didn't say much of note either which she's probably happy with as favourite, Jim had a bizarre performance, seemed like he was coached into being something he's not and performed like a caricature of a politician.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,997 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    The majority of the population want to buy houses, not rent houses.

    So unless Galway County Council become a property developer, and sell the houses that they build, then her suggestion is not the main policy that people want.

    I accept that building more social housing for rent would help to ease rents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    it’s a simple fact that immigrants , of which the vast majority are legal and working are being blamed for everything and the truth us the problems people are referring to such as health and housing have been problems for years created by our own government policies

    Post edited by murpho999 on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭spakman


    Gavin continued to get worse, couldn't put a sentence together towards the end.

    Humphries improved a bit towards the end, so I'd have her a fair bit ahead of him by the end.

    Connolly still way ahead of both, even if people don't like her views, she is miles ahead in terms of articulation, principles and ability.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,805 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I'm leaning towards Gavin now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 278 ✭✭Pat734


    She sure won on that. Connolly head and shoulders above HH and JG. The best by a mile of a bad lot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,769 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Based on what? Genuinely curious!

    He was the worst of the 3 - and the bar wasn't very high to begin with! He could barely get out a coherent sentence by the end!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,647 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Be careful he doesn't clock you with that right hand.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Connolly has the presidential look. Humphreys seemed nothing other than an overpromoted county councillor. Gavin seemed like an speaker at some kind of business dinner. As for Cuddihy, talk radio leve and utterly forgettable. Gavin will have to do a lot of recovery work for the RTE debate.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Billy Kelleher would have aced this. There may be a lot of brown trousers in FF tonight after this "debate".

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Trying to judge this in terms of a debate/speaking competition. I would say CC and JG were about even and HH was back a bit. JG used his hands a lot. Some see that as a negative but I don't. JG was better than I thought he would be. CC was as I expected. HH was a good bit back from where I thought she might be. Certainly don't see her ahead of JG in that debate.

    Does it affect how I decide to vote, maybe. The military industrial complex can be applied to the USA but really Europe would generally much rather to be spending money on something else. CC's reading too much Noam Chomsky.



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


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    That right hand forward and thumb upwards has been used for over 60 years. It's hackneyed now as a means of making a point.

    Looks ridiculous when Gavin totally mimics MM.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭spark_tank


    Catherine won that easily. She's clearly speaking more from experience rather than script. I left that debate thinking it would be painful to have to listen to Jim or Heather speaking for a long period. And speaking is such a major part of the presidential role.

    I think the fact that Catherine is an Independent will work in her favour.

    She's a fluent Irish speaker.

    A master's degree in clinical psychology and a law degree, she's clearly got her wits about her.

    I think Catherine ticks the most boxes here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,908 ✭✭✭StupidLikeAFox


    Definitely the winner, 99% of it was just looking comfortable and confident in answering questions.

    HH looked bored out of her tree.

    You could almost see the cogs turning in JGs head as he searched for the relevant talking point to the question, and im fairly sure his arms were being controlled by some sort of remote pupeteer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    CC was the best by a long mile.

    Gavin looks like he is wearing a Mission Impossible mask and if you take of the mask you see Micheal "Hunt" Martin.

    HH got a bit better near the end but thats still not enough.

    FF HQ will be worried tonight and are hoping their media pals in the press do them a solid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,432 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If Steen had been allowed run, I think it would have been her vs Connolly for the top 2 in either order : the other pair didn't impress at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,885 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I really don't understand what FF were going for with this, Kelleher is a very reasonable candidate who would have galvanised the base and is independent minded enough to at least have a shot at appealing outside the party.

    Initially I thought the Gavin pitch was a different direction for a complete independent who'd approach things from a non-political perspective like Mary McAleese but then he rocks up at the debate with all the Micheál Martin mannerisms and aggression, like he's an AliExpress version of a FF candidate. It's bizarre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 697 ✭✭✭The wonderfish


    Least worst option is HH and I mean least worst. CC has views that are just not palatable for most, that incls a good chunk of labour where the former party leader has already said he ain’t voting for her. JG is just a disaster, Billy Kelleher must be having a good laugh at this. It’s becoming more obvious that if Steen got on the ballot, she may have actually won this 😳



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Gavin appears to be a mini-me version of Martin. That's not a good look. Kelleher would have been a much better candidate and would have been able to ge the traditional FF vote out. I'm not sure that Gavin will be able to build momentum with more performances like that. At least he didn't do Martin's rat-like clawing motions when put under stress.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,889 ✭✭✭✭Water John




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,984 ✭✭✭bren2001


    The best thing that could have happened to Steen was not being in any of this. Her reputation will grow by simply doing nothing.

    HH is the worst option, not the least worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,580 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    “Debate was good craic if nothing else!”

    Jayzuz do you get out much? 😀


    Saying that I Just looked back over the first 15 - 25 minutes or so 🤪

    Catherine’s opening statement was aspirational around what she WOULD do.

    Heathers opening statement spent most of her time explaining what she DID do.

    Jim’s opening statement was “OK” but not near as strong as the other two

    Just going back over the debate:

    Catherine got 3 minutes uninterrupted essentially - she spoke well

    Jim got again about 3 minutes - less eloquent and confident which is surprising because he was talking about defence

    Heather then got her time to answer - after the first minute of her speaking she got challenged on government spending which she had to defend - Heather only had about 2 minutes speaking before ….. Catherine got back in and talked for another two minutes essentially steeling Heathers opening tome .😀


    Yes Catherine did speak well - but I think she got too much uninterrupted time - interviewer constantly interrupted Jim (maybe that was a good thing 😀) - Heather responded well to questions overall - but Catherine got a hell of a lot of monologues this evening - I reckon for the first 20 minutes Catherine was speaking for about 8-9 of those minutes - bad facilitation yes- but hey, she can’t complain about this interview this evening - she got a lot of platform time compared to the other two



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 183 ✭✭spark_tank


    jg.png

    Really Micheál?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,623 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The problem for FF is that very few people trust the press release recyclers these days. Anyone who watched that debate will have seen Connolly and two also-rans. She managed to appear presidential while the others waffled. Even Cuddihy couldn't paper over the cracks in the Gavin and Humphreys performances.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,807 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Very good point.

    So would Barry Andrews, or Mary Hanafin, or Mark Daly or Lisa Chambers or a dozen others.

    I think some people in FF saw Jim Gavin as a Mary McAleese type, ie, in the political orbit, but independent of politics. Unfortunately for them, they forgot that McAleese was an experienced barrister and university debater and lecturer. Speaking confidently on really any matter at all, and with a relaxed but firm communications style, she was at ease in any debate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,279 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Immigration increases demand for all these things and we cannot cope. We need to reduce immigration to get these things in order, and if that requires slowing down the economy then so be it.

    Of course, nobody said that tonight, nor did the presenter ask them what was the level of immigration that we can cope with.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,716 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    A lot of the government ministers have ex journalists as advisors, who will use their contacts to lessen the damage.



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