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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Is that you admitting that when you claimed we would get a reduction of taxes and decrease student fees you were bullshitting



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Brexit was cemented the day of the first referendum. A second one was fantasy.

    Yes a second one could have happened if Labour won in 2019. Corbyn didn't want it on the manifesto and was pressured into putting on. Wanna hazard a guess why Labour were battered. Yes it's because nobody wanted a second referendum.

    I don't need to look anything up. I was there I lived it and I was a member of Labour throughout the whole thing. I was living in heavy Labour areas of London and everyone I knew in similar areas and we all knew a second referendum was pure fantasy. Campaigning for it was a disaster electorally.

    Being an activist didn't sink Michael D and won't sink Connolly. Saying dumb sht about Germany or not rowing back on nominating Gemmo O'Doherty will sink her. You can be an activist an not a total idiot in front of a camera.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Ok well i suggest we agree to disagree.

    I do not believe Corbyn lost, because of the second referundum pledge. This belief is what the Corbynistas claim, as a way of rehabilitating the view of Labour in those days.

    Literally that night, they began claiming that Corbyn Policies (nationalizing rail, a National Drugs service, nationalizing private schools, Left Wing Brexit) were all incredibly popular! Which i must admit, after a national trouncing that was well underway at that point - i was impressed! A kind of 'Gang of Eight 91' loyalist display!! Honestly was expecting the Labour Website to begin playing Tchaikovsky Swan Lake at that point!

    My opinion is they lost because of Corbyn - period. His history of radical agendas and politics, his views on Israel/Palestine - his far left 'fantasy 2019' manifesto, and his total inability to appear like an alternative Prime Minister

    But we will agree to disagree.

    Corbyn only came up because of serious reservations under discussion surrounding CC. Namely that she is doing no favours for herself, or the Left during this election cycle

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "His history of radical agendas and politics, his views on Israel/Palestine - his far left 'fantasy 2019' manifesto, and his total inability to appear like an alternative Prime Minister"

    So why were they not a problem in 2017 ?

    Why do traits Connolly shares with Michael D suddenly become a problem. It's not the activism or her style of left politics. It's that she just isn't that good a political performer at this level. Her only saving grace is all three kinda sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Corbyn would have made a shocking prime minister.

    He didn't even try to oppose Brexit because he was anti-EU ever since the 1970s. The notion of a "Lexit" espoused by him and, among others, Eamonn McCann, was always nonsensical. Brexit was bought and paid for by billionaires to remove regulation from their nefarious activities. It was about crushing workers' rights not protecting them.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Because the Torys of 2017 appeared EVEN LESS stable compared to Labour at the time. May was caught between the sensible Pro Remain Tories who wanted a stable relationship with the EU, or a second ref. And the Pro Hard Tory Right brexiteers composed of careerist loons. The same bunch who came to power in 2019 btw.

    Even with the above instability - he didnt exactly win the election? He gained some seats, which was admirable

    Catherine Connolly has very little in common with Higgins. She has no political aptitude, and is basically an activist. In the middle of a Presidential Election, competing against two very low key candidates, she is setting fire to her campaign by attacking topics which she cannot possibly hope to have any effect on. Her views on Ukraine/Russia/NATO are laughable, and constitute everything that is wrong with the left today. She has a long history of attacking the EU, and these comments on Germany are just the lastest episode of this.

    In my opinion, stating that Hamas should have a role in the future of Palestine, is 100% wrong. Whether she wishes to believe that or not, is her business; but as a presidential candidate she is open to huge criticism on this error alone. And it was an unforced one, which she had to know would be brought up again and again, as the campaigning gets underway.

    Saying that the US is an Imperial power is wrong. Please understand I am NOT a fan of US Foreign Policy, and i realize how unstable the US is at present. But the US is not an imperial power on the same tier as Russia. The US is currently unstable due to hyper partisan polarization, and the current occupent of the White House. But saying the US 'Is as bad as Russia' - and we are talking words to that effect - is highly controversial at best - and very damaging to her credibility

    Even if you proved that on actual beliefs, CC and Higgins are closely alligned - the radical difference is in temperment, and political aptitude. Higgins has it in spades. CC doesnt have any at all - clearly.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    I agree 100%

    It was the old Bennite arm of the Labour Party. From a different era, and grossly out of date.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Why should Heather be required to step outside of her culture to learn the Irish language?

    A truly inclusive society would not demand a knowledge of the Irish language to be First Citizen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    When she was Gaeltacht Minister she said she would learn Irish. She lied

    Hasn't she said recently she would learn it if elected president?

    Can she not just be honest and say il not be learning it have no interest in it



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If it wasn't for SF-IRA there would have been no need of a peace process.

    We're now hearing what she really thinks. So as the campaign goes on she will lie or dissemble about what she really thinks?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    The only candiate who has lied so far is Heather



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

    A tone argument (also called tone policing) is a type of ad hominem aimed at the tone of an argument instead of its factual or logical content in order to dismiss a person's argument. Ignoring the truth or falsity of a statement, a tone argument instead focuses on the emotion with which it is expressed. This is a logical fallacy because a person can be angry while still being rational.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,644 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    As to what you call 'lefty Pabulum' - i disagree that it would have no impact

    Okay not no impact but it would be limited if she pivoted to that stuff at this stage in the campaign because it would feel like she was acting on instruction from her handlers and she would be unlikely to have a distinctive or eyecatching spin on it.

    Initially it seemed to me like a stroke of genius to select a united left candidate pitched half way between Paul Murphy and Catherine Murphy but as a sort of corollary of that her domestic politics turn out to be pretty generic and uninspiring…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Lithuania were damn right.

    They don't have the luxury of being an island next to an island next to a continent. They are on the front line of democratic freedom vs. authoritarian tyranny. This is something that CC will never acknowledge or accept. West bad, Putin good.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So you definitely want her to go populist, as mentioned above



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,992 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Sinn Fein have their eyes on the next general election and are using this an exercise in building a real cohesive alternative coalition

    Yep, it might appear they've made a complete balls of this election but in reality they're playing 4d chess. We mere voters are just too thick to grasp the SF masterplan

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I'd imagine a lot more people care what he thinks, than anyone on this forum thinks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why is it that she never calls for Russia to withdraw? A ceasefire just means they hold on to their illegally stolen territory. Option A is that she is stupid, option B is that she is a Russian agent. For now I'm going with option A.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Interesting defence to 'how she looks and how she sounds' policing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Ceasefire = Russia keeps its illegal territorial gains.

    It is absolutely NOT the same thing as saying that Russia should withdraw.

    She never says that.

    There is a reason for that.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,738 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭mvt


    Again you mention the front line - are you willing to go & fight on it or is that just for other people & you can be borderline abusive on an anonymous Internet forum with a rapidly dwindling audience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,451 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,982 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    These people have a dogma, and facts do not intrude on their views.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Why would she or any other politician call for something so naive and utterly unrealistic as that?

    A ceasefire is an end to violence and deaths, brings everyone to the negotiation table and is a fundamental first step towards peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I can't confidently predict the outcome. Since 1990 the Left has had a better score card in Presidential Elections, but have never led an Irish government. A lot of people who vote for the Left in presidential elections don't do so in General Elections.

    The Left of course is 2-4 times as large now compared to the 1990s. But their voters are split between lots of parties, because they are hung up on ideological purity, except Labour which has had to compromise from coalitions with FF and FG.

    I would not have voted for Steen but I feel if she got on the ballot, there would actually be a debate on domestic issues, rather than just Gaza. I agree with Connolly on Gaza, but so do FF, FG, Labour, SD, Greens. One of the reasons we have problems like housing is that our politics maybe attaches more importance to foreign policy, though I accept thats partly because of the importance of FDI and foreign trade to our economy.

    I'm not a social conservative and I am a secularist. But I feel somewhat uncomfortable that a large minority of the electorate (maybe 20%) is not being represented. Thats not good for democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,911 ✭✭✭almostover


    A ceasefire in the current situation without any concession of illegally gained territory by Putin would only emboldened him to do it again. What planet do some of the left live on? Putin is an evil autocrat hell bent on reclaiming all of Ukraine and other former USSR states. Rewarding him illegally invading Ukraine would only serve to embolden him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I'm not sure you understand the point of a ceasefire if you think there should be concession conditions attached to it.



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