Israel/Palestine Thread

Sad really and from history we know that GB with others are the cause of all this today. I've no doubt though that someone will get to Netanyahu. Hope it hurts

I don't know, I wonder what percentage of 2 million people you could get into what's left of this supposed metro system of tunnels. They're not bomb shelters, are they? I'd assume a lot of the entry points are inaccessible by now.

It's such a silly point to make once you look into the logistics of getting hundreds of thousands of people into small tunnels, only to be barricaded in.

"Protecting Israel" is **** hilarious by the way.

where israel is is not their ancestral lands in reality, it is only so according to a book.

yes jews lived there in mass once, and jews in small numbers have lived there constantly, but if we are talking about ancestral lands then palestinians have more of a claim to the land in reality as they lived there in mass for way longer then jews have.

The fact that people with the bombs, apache helicopters, sniper rifles etc think their made up God left them the land is a problem that can't be fixed unfortunately.

Religion causes so many problems in the world. My god is more important than your god.

People are allowed to believe whatever they want. It’s only when it becomes extreme: Our rights are more important than yours, our lives are more important than yours.

People believe in their culture, which may include religion. It’s a conditioning.

As a Catholic, I was also shaped by society (family, Church...). In particular, I was conditioned at school (confession, communion, confirmation).

Even in recent times. in their own country, Irish Catholics have been persecuted. They have suffered discrimination in housing, employment, voting ...

Generally speaking, where culture and religion cross the line, is when cultural bias and religion become an excuse to steal land, or through denying a population their human rights (e.g., slavery), or crimes against humanity under Genocide Convention … systematic ethnic cleansing.

^ That's the citizens of UK. If Spain and Italy's navy ships are attacked by Israel, all Nato countries must respond.

You wanted some evidence that Hamas would win an election in the morning. Here it is. Bolded below, 43% would vote for Hamas.

It's from the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, so it can't be accused of being hasbara. It provides graphical data on Attitudes in Gaza/West Bank over four polls since DEC 23 to the latest on 6th May 2025.

Some highlights.

58% still believe the OCT 7th attach was correct.

87% believe Hamas did not commit atrocities against Israelis on Oct 7th.

48% of Gazans support recent protests agains Hamas, but only 14% in the West Bank. (Easy know who's not under bombardment).

85% of West Bank and 64% of Gaza oppose disarming Hamas to end the war.

49% said that they would be willing to apply to Israel for funding to leave Gaza for another country after the war ends.

Palestinian satisfaction with Hamas at 57% in West Bank, 43% in Gaza.

Barghouti remains the overall most popular potential new leader. Abbas a complete non runner.

If Barghouti did not run, Hamas wins President by a landslide.

When asked which party they support most 32% said Hamas, 21% Abbas. 34% want nothing to do with either.

But if new legislative elections were held today with the participation of all political forces that participated in the 2006 elections, 62% say they will participate in them, and among the participants in the elections 43% say they will vote for Hamas, 28% for Fatah, 8% for third parties, and 19% have not yet decided. 

40% (compared to 43% seven months ago) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 19% (compared to 19% seven months ago) believe that Fatah led by president Abbas is the most deserving.

40% support and 57% oppose the concept of a two-state solution.

Overall, Hamas popular, West Bankers seem more keen on 'the struggle' than Gazans. 6% deem unemployment most important problem facing Palestinains. Roughly 40% think it is the war.

Link here.

https://pcpsr.org/en/node/997

Clearly the dastardly jews went back in time to create ancient sites and set up pretty much the entire religion and culture to revolve around the exact area that they later would go on to "colonise".

People are just in massive denial or ignorance about the fact that jews are native to the area, were there before any Arabs arrived to expel them, and arent all "from Poland" which seems to be the current place that people are fond of telling them to go back to

I'm sure Odin has given some Norwegian lad claim to the half acre I'm on as well. Should I vacate for him...

The exclusion has started. No one wants your Nazi Zionism. Jews were victims 85 years ago. They are the perpetrators today but keep waving a victim card as they massacre innocent people and steal their land and wealth. Savages.

The Israel-Premier Tech cycling team has been excluded from Italy’s upcoming Giro dell’Emilia competition due to concerns over public safety, race organisers said.

The decision announced on Saturday comes after the recent Vuelta a Espana cycling race suffered several disruptions by pro-Palestinian protesters who took to the streets of the Spanish capital, Madrid, to block the participation of Israel-Premier Tech, forcing the cancellation of the race’s final stage.

They are obligated to under Article 5 but it would never happen. Israel gets away with everything- including murdering 26 US Soliders.

Concerns over public safety due to potential attacks on Jewish bicycle racers is just an obvious example of rising antisemitism in Europe. Don't know why you view this as a good thing.

It suits you to portray all criticism of Israel as anti semitism in order to deflect from Israeli war crimes. You will keep at it but very few( aside from your fellow war crimes apologists)will fall for your tired routine. By the way for the second time of asking do you agree with the UN report that concluded Israel is committing genocide in Gaza

A couple of clarifications.
Israel is not the only country in the middle East where being LGBT is a death sentence.
Same sex marriage cannot be performed in Israel, so the LGBT community there, do not have the exact same rights as heterosexuals.

When you say women have full equality in Israel what in fact is the case is that Jewish women have full equality in Israel.

I think you need to realise that we are now living in a new world where unfortunately there is no global policeman. Russia and now Israel have shown that you can kill civilians with more or less impunity and no calvary is coming to save you. Ukraine is being arned as it serves Europe and America well to kill Russians without risking their own troops.

There is a decent number of people in both Europe and America who consider Palestinians at the very least sympathetic to terrorism so are not unduly worried about mass casualties in Gaza.

I wish that this was not the way things are, but that's the way i see it.

All of these questions about what constitutes genocide are all well and good, but right now might is right and nobody is being held to account. Talk is cheap unfortunately and hash tag protests are irrelevent.

Youn need actual armed forces to affect real change these days. Israel is all in on this course of action and has no further public image left to lose.