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Manchester United Thread 25/26 - Teamtalk/Transfers/Gossip Mod Note in OP 26.09.24

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,269 ✭✭✭paulbok


    I can see big Jimbo pulling the trigger later this evening or tomorrow on Ruben. As bad and all as the results are, he can't coach, simple as.

    As for who will replace him, I think they will go for Southgate, in a caretaker position at the very least, with Ashworth having a rye smirk somewhere.

    Few options available at the moment. Would be madness to bring any ex managers back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,266 ✭✭✭Unearthly


    Carrick as a caretaker with a view to getting one of the German lads after World Cup is what I’d go with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,924 ✭✭✭Whatsisname


    You go and take a manager from a club. Just like we did with Amorim. Glasner or Iraola, or just anyone who’s not a complete stubborn amateur.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭randd1


    It’s the coaching. There’s none of it.

    It’s the same mistakes, same poor tempo, same lack of creativity, same lack of defensive awareness, same lack of belief, same poor interplay. That’s a coaching issue through and through.

    Game after game after game after game after game.

    Hes been given every possible backing by the club, and it’s the same crap every time. Gets away with it on occasion, but more often than not gets shown up.

    INEOS fcuked up with Ten Hag not getting rid after a season of poor performances, and they’ve done the same with Amorim.

    He’s our worst ever manager, it’s never going to get better, and the longer he stays, the closer we get to relegation. And let’s not kid ourselves, that’s where he’s taking us.

    Just pull the trigger and be done with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    A manager like Keith Andrews can set up a mediocre Brentford team to win comfortably against us. Amorim has refused to adapt to his opposition at every turn and exposed our weaknesses every game. I think he knows the writing is on the wall. If we get beaten by Sunderland I think he'll be sacked.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,769 ✭✭✭crusd


    see he was the only player in the middle with the balls to actually try to get on and maintain possession. I suppose he should have done an Ugarte and pass it back to Bayindir while chasing a goal. Or a Bruno running around like a headless chicken and sending passes out for throws and moaning at everyone else so people wouldn’t think it’s is fault. That’s what we expect from midfielders, not trying to do something to recover the situation, and yes, making a mistake, but at least trying to do something about it. You need midfields not afriad to make mistakes and accept that on occasion they will make mistakes

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,874 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The basics of the job interview needs to be:

    1) Do you think Bruno Fernandes is a central midfielder?

    If they manage to say no to that they are overqualified.

    I do like the idea of a competent manager playing

    ------Mainoo---------Casemiro--------

    Mbeumo------Bruno---—--Cunha

    -----------------Sesko---------------—



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Ole tried and failed. I've serious doubts about Ruud. Carrick's Boro team were easy on the eye but were porous in the end. He'd know how to set up a team though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,961 ✭✭✭✭Zeek12


    Interim sounds more practical. Maybe they'll approach Ole?

    While they're at it, Ineos should swallow their pride and try and get Dan Ashworth back. Because they are clearly clueless and have got almost every big decision wrong



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,874 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    The squad is luckily better than when Amorim arrived. He just is clueless how to set it up.

    Like hiring a carpenter to install plumbing. Amorim has good tools but no clue what to do with them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Seattle


    Would you go for an Interim manager or take a risk on a new permanent one?

    If you wait until the Summer you might get someone like Enrique. Signing an Interim manager leaves open that option. But Interim managers can work out very bad (Ragnick) so there's no guarantee that that option would be better than holding onto Amorim. These are the questions that the hierarchy will have to grapple with, it's not as easy as saying just sack him. I really hope they do have a contingency plan in place - they acted quick with ETH last season.

    For now though I think we're at the stage where Amorim has absolutely no choice but to roll the dice and change his way of playing next week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    He keeps picking players that are letting him down. That, to me, is unforgivable and he won't make the changes needed to help the team. In the 6 league games so far, Bruno has been awful in about 4 of them yet he plays every minute of every game regardless. Dalot was brutal today and Bayindir was like a cardboard cutout for their goals.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭DataDude


    I don’t think we know on the squad. You hope it’s better and this is a manager issue but we’re guessing.

    Of the back 5 only Yoro you’d be confident will be here in 3 years…and he’s seemingly lost his place in a formation made for him.

    Midfield Mainoo is the only on youd be confident has a future and he’s barely played in a year and been poor when he has


    up front we’ve spent 200m on 3 new lads, all of whom have underperformed expectations. There’s a huge risk this squad needs complete binning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,603 ✭✭✭randd1


    If an interim manager comes in, he might fail miserably.

    If Amorim stays, it’s a guarantee we’ll fail miserably.

    Better to try something that might give us a chance than stick with something that gives us none.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Rangnick won more league games and more points for United than Amorim has. In less games obviously.

    If that was "very bad", then…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


    That felt like a last post match interview



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 231 ✭✭Cork29


    love rubens interview, cleared up a lot of the issues about the performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I'd be interested to know if Ancellotti could be poached away from Brazil.

    Regardless, there is nothing wrong with just appointing a solid interim manager when the current one is so clearly failing.

    There are lots of managers that would wet themselves at the chance to take over that squad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,736 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    HHopefully the next manager comes in and actually starts a rebuild. Playing Casemiro, Dalot, Bruno, Shaw at every opportunity doesn't a rebuild make, especially when they some of the poorer performers every week they play.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,528 ✭✭✭fatherted1969


    What the hell is he doing with his head in his hands hiding in the dugout while we have a pen away to BRENTFORD ffs, is he not able for the pressure or what

    Anyway,its not lasting much longer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,262 ✭✭✭✭billyhead




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,430 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Amorim seems a nice guy and is a competent coach but it has not worked for whatever reasons at Utd. He has to take the blame. Week in week out we are outplayed by any competent team that sets themselves up and knows what they are doing. Despite all his time on the training ground the players don't seem to have a clue how they are set-up. Then when that doesn't work he just empties the bench and nobody including the players have any idea what they are doing. Just hoping for a moment of magic or a mistake to pull us through. It's not enough. How can a team of individually talented players look less than the sum of their parts every single match. Buck stops with him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 819 ✭✭✭ngunners


    Glasner would probably leave Palace, he seems frustrated with their lack of investment. I’d take him or Iraola in a heartbeat.

    So disappointed it hasn’t worked out for Amorim but after today there’s no denying it. He’s done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,208 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Not being funny here, but I would say there are many good coaches around who would disagree with you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,874 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I just hope we don't decide to needlessly get zero points against Sunderland. He can't be left to "manage" against them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Danye


    Put your tinfoil hat on…


    Does anybody think this manager is trying to get sacked? Would he be compensated getting sacked better than if he left by his own accord?

    I just can’t fathom how or why he hasn’t changed tact. He’s insisting on his formation despite it not working. Surely he should be reflecting on this with his team every week and acknowledge it’s not working and he has to change something.

    If anyone is in employment, and you weren’t fulfilling your duties and providing the results for your employer, you’d look to improve. No? Yet this guy doesn’t.

    I just don’t get it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭DataDude


    To be fair, it’s the same every time. Every manager when leaving is praised for clearing the deadwood. New manager will show good players are etc. etc.

    New manager decides all players are deadwood. Repeat.

    It’s not 6 months since I was confidently told on here the likes of Dorgu, Zirkzee, Hojlund, Ugarte would thrive under Amorim. Here we are. Everyone thinks new signings are going to be panacea until they have a year or two under their belt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭xtal191




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Just because Amorim couldn't get a tune out of a tin whistle does not mean that the current squad needs cleared out.

    We have all had the discussions about deadwood going back years, but now Martial is gone, Lingard is gone, Jones is gone, Rashford and Sancho aren't there. The deadwood is mostly gone now, work has been done there.

    Now, today, I think a majority of current PL managers would immediately swap their current attack for Uniteds. Because man for man they are better than most of the other teams, all the Fulhams, Brentfords and Burnleys would kill for that depth of player. There is nothing controversial here, we added 2 of the PL's best attackers in the summer, its a simple fact.

    Zero signings needed, I bet a solid, practical manager takes that side easily to top 6/8. And then it is just build from there.



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