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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,545 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You think I'm an FFGer?

    Thats not only offensive but also comical.

    I'd love you to find anything remotely positive I've ever said about them? Utterly bizarre accusation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    sit on the fence on Gaza? Nah, no one’s sitting on the fence on Gaza now.Nethanyahu at the UN complaining about everyone correctly and finally turning, he should be arrested for being a war criminal. Shouldn’t be let leave the room.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I wouldn't vote on a single issue. Whoever we elect will be there for 7 years.

    Mary Robinson did represent change, but Connolly would represent continuity from the current president, except maybe saying things that more people will disagree with than disagreed with him. Mary Robinson always stayed within the limits of the office, and didn't go out on a limb with controversial statements when president. In my personal opinion, Higgins was more outspoken on issues that properly belong to the Dail and the Cabinet, not the President. I agreed with him on housing and Gaza, but felt that at least he was not attacking the United States and European countries.

    If we elect Connolly, it could be bad for relations with the countries she is criticising, which this time includes Germany, whose rearmament she has compared to 1930s German rearmament.

    The current president of the United States is extremely thin skinnerd, and an Irish President going around calling the US as "imperial power" will go down very badly. But at the moment, we are part of the EU and that gives us some protection on trade disputes. So to burn bridges with EU partners like Germany aswell is sheer foolishness. I won't vote for her. I considered it for a long time because of Gaza. But all the parties are more or less on the same page on Gaza.

    Also, Labour may be damaged by supporting a candidate further to the Left than they are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    There’s 3 candidates. Two are FFG, the other not. If you’re not with the other candidate then you’re with FFG, or you’re abstaining but if you’re abstaining then why are you even talking about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,339 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    How uninspiring are these 3 candidates?

    Dont think ill bother voting on this one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,545 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Theres 3 píss poor candidates.

    If Connolly shut the fùck up she would pìss the election. Her rambling about Hamas needing to stay involved in Gaza, refusing to condemn Russia, her confused nonsense about German army and NATO being a threat is something I'd expect from a coked up McGregor at 3.30am.

    Not being FFG should be a blessing, she is just set on being a liability to herself despite their being an open goal for her.

    Now show me where I've supported FFG like a good lad. I'm very curious to see it so show me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,778 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yesterday you said you were spoiling your vote and putting down Dustin the Turkey and Steen. But here you are still posting…stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    there’s no fun in you at all, is there!!!

    Steen now won’t be on the ballot, and Dustin was never to be on it

    So will have to be Gavin, HH and then CC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    It remains a wretched publication, stridently pro-Netanyahu and keen to big up any bad news story from Ireland. Still no mea culpa for its role in bringing Brexit about either.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    good. So don’t read them. It’s Friday nite. Chill



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,123 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    CC’s comment about German rearmament was outrageous. She certainly couldn’t be doing that up in the Park.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    It’s a fair point to raise, it’s not a good thing that more money is being spent on rearmament.
    She probably wouldn’t say that the way she did in such a specifically critical way against Germany if she was in the Arus. Actually she definitely wouldn’t.

    A bit like Michael D Higgins, when he became President he didn’t say anything like the stuff he had said over the years. He was very vocal against the Iraq War for example, would not have said anything like that when he was President. Connolly would do likewise if she wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,972 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    I largely agree, but you will note that I mentioned Poland at the end after the Baltics where the problem really is. Russia is not the military force that it thinks it is, they have been trying to capture Pokrovsk for over a year and recently surged forward only for the Ukrainians to cut them off. However, Putin launched the invasion into Ukraine without enough forces, it does not seem to be beyond the bounds of possibility that he would do something else that was ultimately unwise, like seizing Narva. Given assistance to Ukraine is the best way to keep him busy, but there also needs to be deterrence for further adventures.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Why is it seen as so bad if you think that a FF/FG candidate is more worthy of your vote than an independent? Are people really this insecure about FF/FG? Do they “dislike” them this much?

    Have I missed something? The people in Ireland voted them to govern. Are all these people to be shamed now by having chosen FF/FG to govern?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    I think with Higgins was first elected in 2011, it was in a context where Labour had won 38 seats. When he was re-elected, it was just after the General Election where Labour fell to 6-7 seats. So theres no doubt it was a personal vote. Also the shenanigans around Tweetgate were a big factor in 2011, without which I think that election could have gone a different way. Gallagher eventually won his civil action on that years later.

    A lesson from Tweetgate is to verify the source of a tweet. I hope RTE has learned from this. Even if you didnt support Gallagher, what happened raised disturbing questions about this happening to someone on either side in future.

    The fact that SF is not running its own candidate seems defeatist and a sign of low morale after a disappointing election for them. They did slightly increase their number of seats, but that was because of transfers and their first preference percentage share of the vote fell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    If Russia is no threat to anyone outside of Ukraine and there’s going to be no actual intervention in what’s happening in Ukraine then the rearming Germany is doing is a fairly expensive waste of money isn’t it. Same with beefing up defence spending in Ireland. Money needed elsewhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    So your logic is:

    Many FFGers think Connolly is clueless

    pjohnson quotes a couple of examples of why he thinks Connolly is clueless

    therefore pjohnson is a FFGer

    Interesting

    (Most Man City fans think Amorim is useless.

    Roy Keane thinks Amorim is useless.

    Therefore Roy Keane is a Man City fan)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    You don't have to be a FFGer to realise that she's a loose cannon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,545 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    My point is she’s no more of a “loose cannon” than Michael D Higgins was in several years of comments on international affairs prior to him becoming President. She has said nothing more controversial than he did prior to being elected as President.


    It’s an FFG tactic to portray her views as controversial, they tried the same thing with Higgins, didn’t work.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,545 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Its exactly what you said. Its there for everyone to see.

    Unlike your slander of me supporting FFG and McGregor.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I voted Green in the last election. I have voted for Labour, FG, FF, Independents, Democratic Left and the PDs at various times during my life. You are adopting Trumpian tactics by mislabelling your opponents.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,871 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    ha, this is getting hilarious. Trumpian tactics is it now? Trumpian tactics is when people tell bare faced lies. So, are you going to adopt Trumpian tactics and lie about who you’re voting for?

    Which candidate are you voting for? Straight question.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If the election is tomorrow, I am voting for Jim Gavin. Heather could yet outperform him and win my vote.

    Connolly is crazy and has no chance of my vote.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That is exactly his logic, a strange one.

    Connolly supporters have adopted the Trumpian tactic of labelling their opponents in an attempt to dehumanise them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    It's far from nonsense. Just because FFG declare something to be the case doesn't mean they're automatically wrong. In this case they're perfectly right to take her to task. If there was a good, as in not crazy, left candidate in this contest, they'd get my vote, but since there isn't I have to swallow hard and vote HH and JG to keep CC out because there is no way I'd not vote against a loon that's soft on Putin and delusional about Germany. I'll vote for FFG because there is nobody else to vote for and they're the least worst option.



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