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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 535 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Whatever about her decency and morality, she most certainly is not a fit and proper person to hold the office of head of state in Ireland.

    I quite agree with you there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭rdser


    100%. The holier than thou FFG supporters seem to think they have some sort of moral high ground, but can't or wont see the damage their own crew have done over many years. Its their usual approach though so not surprising.

    People should also recognise, that a lot of people are sick to the back teeth of listening to Gaza, Palestine, Ukraine from our own media and politicians, and are unlikely to make a voting decision based on someone's opinion of what's happening/ should happen there. I get some people are really engaged with what's happening but a lot of people are not, and as said are sick of it dominating public discourse in the country. Its not a top priority for many people. Recent polls bear that out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,700 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Would that be the same Robinson who didn't complete the 7 years when a better gig came up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭1641


    That is as irrelevant to the presidency as is the wacko foreign policy stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only person talking about Gaza and Russia in this campaign is Connolly. She seems to be obsessed with pushing the Daly/Wallace theory of international relations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Out of step but more in touch with the facts in regards to Palestine.

    You're the one who brought it up but now it's suddenly OT, wonder why.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,947 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The tho one that I never hear that mentioned about except by a few grumps on Boards with an obsession because it's all they can come up with. Absolutely nobody gives a fuk that she left 3 months early in reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I didn't bring up Tony Blair, all I brought up was that the Palestinian spokesperson at the UN (are we back to thinking the UN is wrong, hard to keep up sometimes) completely contradicted Catherine Connolly, which makes this relevant to the thread.

    If you are bringing up Tony Blair to also show how crazily out of touch CC is, then we are pretty much on the same page.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Blair is just an amusing aside.

    Questioning the legitimacy of Hamas on the basis of what the PA or Abbas says doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Abbas hasn't stood for election since 2005, he's effectively 'President for Life'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59,650 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    she still let herself and the office she held down badly. A contempt for the office is what she displayed!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,774 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Good honest post. To be fair I think she is being asked about foreign policy at the various functions she is attending. Often in universities. I admire that she doesn't shy away from the questions and maintains her core beliefs. The other two are saying absolutely nothing about anything. HH has already retired into the Aras.

    The govt are getting a free pass on all our problems while this low impact election gets headlines.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yes it is, but equally, it is less choppy water. And it can impact politics in ireland.

    Listen if we reduced this down to things that are purely relevent to the presidency - it would be farce.

    • Is a candidate capable of smiling, and shaking hands with visiting dignitaries
    • Do they mind attending sporting events and shaking hands with all of the players
    • Do they know how to sign bills.
    • Are they capable of travelling by aircraft to foreign countries, and promoting Ireland

    We can muck about, and im obviously being hyperbolic - but previous campaigns have shed light on issues of consequence, and candidates have pushed societal issues into the public light - where they can be debated, and eventually, impact peoples votes during more relevant General, Local, and European Elections.

    I agree with you in principle, but candidates for the presidency can have a impact on public opinion. And the point i was trying to make was that CC could highlight societal and social issues of consequence. Which is why i mentioned cost of living, healthcare, education, and housing. We could add her affinity for the Irish language, and honestly the CC campaign starts to grow legs, and could achieve a lot. If she had stuck to these topics, we would not be seeing a whirlwind of controversy surrounding her campaign thats for sure

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,591 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    This from a poster who as soon as she announced her candidacy was posting about her views on Russia. This is just some of the stuff you wanted to talk about on the day she announced she was running post 1766 11th July. You have not relented since either 🙄

    Connolly and the likes of Wallace and Daly are absolutely clear that the US and the West are to blame for everything.

    They want Ukraine to roll over and being overrun by Russia, they want dictators like Assad and the Ayatollahs to be left alone by the West to oppress their own people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭rdser


    Thats horseshit. I've listended to several interviews with her, and it is the media bringing it up with her consistently, so she can't not comment on it, can she? Jim Gavin has also made several comments on it, including his military campaign/objectives stuff, but he seems more interested in climbing walls and buttering scones than anything else going by his social media campaign. I don't listen to HH, I switch her off straight away so couldnt tell you what she has said or not.

    Right now I wont be voting for any of them so I could care less, but its very obvious that painting CC as some kind of loony commy is tactical and is the usual FFG bull, with their media friends quite happy to tag along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,150 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    CC could easily have given a quick international answer, and said something like “I would prefer to focus on national cultural values, then break into Gaeilge. Simple.

    Post edited by gormdubhgorm on

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


     And the point i was trying to make was that CC could highlight societal and social issues of consequence. Which is why i mentioned cost of living, healthcare, education, and housing.

    For someone renowned as an ideologue Connolly's politics are oddly generic and indistinct apart from the foreign policy stuff. And this IMO makes it harder for her to 'build a brand' among voters who wouldn't automatically vote for the left candidate. Off the top of my head I couldn't name one specific 'indigenous' political cause she has been strongly associated with…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,799 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    The other two have commented and neither agree with Connolly. They were asked as well, didn't just volunteer answers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Yea its a tough nut to crack. Were we talking about seminars in colleges, or someone seeking to be elected as a TD - i would agree with you that it would be admirable of her to talk on these issues. I dont agree with her on many aspects of foreign policy, but i would certainly respect her for having her strongly held opinions.

    The trouble is, as you say, the government are getting their free pass. Its not at all surprising that JG and HH are happy enough with that - but CC should be reigning herself back to matters of domestic societal issues. The fact she is being asked about FP is unsurprising, but she should be reigning it in, and pivoting to matters which are less contentious

    Early days, maybe things land on something sensible - i hope so.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The media have asked all candidates their position on Gaza - CC has been asked about Russia too - be as critical as you like as per your own ideological devotion but do try to be accurate and honest in your posts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    No, someone who draws a comparison to Hitler and refers to modern Germany increasing its arms expenditure in response to Russian threats to its European partners is a looney, this is not bull of any sort, and something which any responsible person would abhor.

    CC was on saying that we don't want war. Of course we don't want war, but what is the alternative to arming to provide a deterrent, just let Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and even Poland be occupied by Russia Why are SF happy to support a candidate who believes that these countries should be sacrificed to their imperial neighbour? They do not come from a turn the other cheek tradition.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Thats a very fair point. For me its akin to Richard Boyd Barrett/Clare Daily adjacent pacifism. Fairly generic.

    'Capitalism is bad ALWAYS. America is bad ALWAYS….' what about Russia you say. 'well yes but AMERICA IS TO BLAME'.

    Very tedious.

    To give her some credit, outside of this election cycle she ticks a lot of boxes for me, as something akin to a Social Democrat (not to be confused with the SocDems). She is very liberal and tolerant on societal matters, secular to a certain degree. She has in the past attacked deregulation, and she says all the right things on housing.

    On foreign policy i disagree with so many of her conclusions. But again, i have to say. It doesnt matter whether we agree or disagree on them. The fact she is deliberately hitting these trip wires in every interview - that does go against her credibility.

    She could dodge the hot potatos, and concentrate on less contentious things - mabe she will, maybe she wont, moving forward. Watch this space i guess. But i have a horrid feeling that I will pick up a paper tomorrow, and find that she is 'blaming NATO' for the India/Pakistan conflict. Or claiming that it was 'the American Empire' that caused October 7th

    Just have to wait and see

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,652 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    The more closely I look at each candidate the less gravitas i see in each of them. None of these would hold a candle to the Presidents that came before them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭1641


    I take your general point but I disagree that the requirements for the presidency can reduced to anything like your 4 bullet points. If fact it would be quite dismissive of all of our past presidents to characterize their role or performance as just this. Character, political awareness and discretion, interpersonal and communication skills, dignity and gravitas are some of what I would look for. Knowledge of the Constitution along with diplomatic and political awareness are also important. I'd add non-divisive and a capacity to empathise and soothe at times of crisis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,847 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Why the need to be dishonest in your posts?

    She said the military build up in Germany has echos of the 30s....factually correct.

    Her comment re France was in relation to their entrenchment in the arms industry and the bloodshed it causes...factually correct.

    America is an imperial power, to deny so would be dishonesty on a Trumpian scale...so again factually correct.

    Starmer was dictating to the people of Gaza and Palestine who will and won't be involved in the rebuilding/running of their region after the slaughter he supports is concluded...she correctly said that's not for him to decide...you really need to park your NATO driven ideology and perspective and try to adopt some form of objective analysis in your writing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,970 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Gravitas is one thing, a belief in falsehoods is another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Oh definitely. The protests I've witnessed on a few Saturday mornings over the last 2 years have been dwindling and are now a shadow of their former selves. The majority of the country just don't care anymore, if they ever really did

    I think it's very smart by Connolly to be getting her views on these out into the public mindset in the early stages of the election campaign. Gives us the ability to focus on the FF/FG policies as the election draws nearer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,833 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Im happy to concede i was only being hyperbolic RE the four bullet points!

    Of course there is more to it than that. I posted earlier praising MD Higgins, who in my mind is the best president in my lifetime. Wonderful man with presence, charisma, and a clear knowledge of how to use the office of the president correctly.

    I said earlier today, that he passed with honors, every test that was thrown at him. From the Israeli Hard Right labeling him a antisemetic, to accusations thrown at the country that we are supporting Islamic Terrorists. Fantastic president. And thats not to say that Robinson, or McAleese were not also fantastic in the office.

    I think you are probably sensing frustration about the current campaign, from a lefty like me. I hate to see my side score own goals, but all my life - we just keep doing it.

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 680 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Shared platforms, meetings, resources and canvassing all help building the Left Bloc which is SF's only route to power (as they realised and, laughably, tried to forge 24 hours before the last election). Having Connolly win would give all involved enough of a dopamine rush to carry the alliance through to the next GE.

    They're also saving McDonald from harsh scrutiny as she could hardly afford another poor election which is what any SF candidate other than herself would have resulted in.

    I know that you're right, I know I was wrong

    So thanks very much, please keep in touch, I'll be running along



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,605 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Might be older than you but Erskine Childers was a great President and the country was very sad at his loss.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,883 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    I remember hearing somewhere a few months ago (may have been Irish Times politics podcast, can't remember but doesn't matter) that the person elected as president will immediately look presidential. The office makes the person or something like that.



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