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UK Digital IDs

  • 25-09-2025 11:46PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭


    A couple of years ago in a News Agents interview Starmer was asked "Davos or WestWestminster ?" and without hesitation he said Davos.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The digital ID idea is only because Reform UK is using pressure on Labour and Labour is forced into a corner. So they come up with all sorts of ideas.

    What's wrong with a British passport as an acceptable form of ID? And it is already biometric. Employers already require a passport copy.

    And what about those who don't have a smartphone? Why does it always have to be a smartphone? Why won't a laptop computer do?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭JVince


    Only UK citizens can have a passport. The digital ID is for all RESIDENTS

    Rather brilliant idea from Starmer as its the usual far right types that rile up against such initiatives - but hard for these nutters to dismiss the idea when the primary aim is to ensure a proper control on immigration



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Unsourced claim that has nothing to do with the thread title.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well now, if you look at the fact that the World Economic Forum which hosts Davos has been pushing Digital ID for years now, you'll see that they are linked. Starmer did choose Davos when asked, as you'll see from the video. Also the WEF have been pushing Digital ID as you can see from this link.

    If you're still in the UK, are you going to sign up for your Britcard?

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I'm not watching a carefully edited video from the people who spent a decade and a half denuding, starving and gaslighting this country. Do better.

    The Davos conspiracy thing was old years ago. The right must be very desperate to have to go back to it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,561 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    As far as I know that digital ID is for all, British citizens as well as residents / immigrants.

    The problem I have is not with the ID itself, but because a smartphone is apparently a legal requirement.

    Lots of other countries have ID cards together with passports, like the German Personalausweis. This document also allows for trave within the EU and a couple of other countries as well, - but not the UK.

    British registered smart phones seem to be also a problem due to lack of roaming in Europe ever since Brexit.

    Personally I don't really want to be forced to use or pay for a smartphone. I've got my laptop computer with me whch is mostly online all day. I honestly don't fancy paying 20 to 30 pounds extra just for an f-ing smart phone to satisfy politics whilst a British passport sould be enough anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,122 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Various Reform associated people and other right wing commentators spent last night deleting their previous demands for ID cards to tackle immigration (there is little evidence they actually do, but lets skim over that); because they can't be seen to support anything Labour does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Marcos


    "From the people who spent a decade and a half denuding this country" Ah so you are still in the UK then.

    As for the Davos video you didn't watch, it's on their website, so it's a bit difficult to start calling it a conspiracy. But hey, you do you.

    Life'd be a lot easier for some people if we all just shut our eyes, put our hands over our ears and shout "I can't hear you!"

    Anyway, I've had my say on this so won't be engaging with you on this any further. Enjoy your Britcard.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,489 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    The lack of any consideration offered to what the imposition of an identity requirement upon NI.
    In particular an NI where the GFA guarantees either tradition parity of esteem and the importance of identity within that settlement.
    Seems to have been completely forgotten by Starmer and Labour in their race to appear strong on immigration.
    I can't see the BritCard gaining traction or support among large sections of both sides.

    It is as if NI and the GFA were completely ignored in the thinking that led to this "Solution".



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    So you have no actual evidence that this is from Davos but you expect me to research your argument for you?

    Nah. Let's call it there. I'm interested in government policy, not conspiracy drivel from years gone by.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    New Labour attempted to introduce id cards and it caused uproar. I'm baffled that they think that now is tye time to try again. Sky News today showed a seat by seat poll giving Reform UK a 311 seat result in a hung parliament.

    Madness.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Do you ever notice that the political figures who constantly warn us about Fascists….behave just like fascists?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    I have recruited in the UK over the years and the following are prerequisites already for hiring

    1. National Insurance number
    2. Passport
    3. Proof of right to work in the UK (if necessary)

    What gap is this digital ID filling exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Peddling this has been the primary focus of Tony Blair…one of the biggest mass murders (the illegal Iraqi War) in modern history, as he has been doing in Davos over the years. So apart from the completely indoctrinated, the Brits won't be going along with this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭mick087


    Papers please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    the primary aim is to ensure a proper control on immigration

    How does it do that exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭JVince


    quite easy - ensures any social welfare and other benefits go to those registered.

    Funny how aontu are first out screaming about it. a tiny political party that is not even in the UK complaining about something a different country wants to do.

    aontu seems to be very much going into the murky underworld of the far right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Scotland opposes Labours plans along with the vast majority of the country. Looking more likely that Fear Starmer is going to do another 180 U turn soon enough.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    A national insurance number does that so where is the gap that this ID is filling?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I didn't think it was possible to start a thread with a non-sequitur yet here we are…

    While I don't think the ID cards are particularly necessary, I also do not understand the massive objection to them. They are already essentially mandatory on most of the continent and it hasn't led to the ushering in of a Fourth Reich.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    You're not comparing like with like. Countries like France and Germany didn't introduce ID cards in a pathetic doomed attempt to pander to racists.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 30,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ah, this isn't the first time the UK have tried this and the response is the same every time. I genuinely don't understand it. I also think objecting to something fairly reasonable because you don't like one hypothesised genesis of it is a poor way to do politics.

    I also find the arguments about the State having a database of people or whatever nonsense pretty disingenuous when the overwhelming majority of us happily share far more data with private enterprises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,169 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It would impact many on this island so it is appropriate for Aontu to comment on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    So any country that protects it's border is a racist country? Are borders racist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,989 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I may be way off here, but doesn’t a state with any kind of functioning welfare system have a lot of data on it’s citizens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    This will do nothing to stop illegal immigration, it is another attempt at control. We aren't so far away from a Chinese social credit score as we think. Add to this the draconian hate speech laws, online safety bill nonsense and it's very clear the powers that be are trying to exert more and more control over the population.

    Covid showed them how willing people are to go along with surveillance for a fake sense of safety.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭circadian


    Self Sovereign Identity is the only valid solution for something like this, in my humble opinion of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,538 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    How is this protecting the UKs border exactly?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,614 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    It doesn't, the poster said it was a rection to racists, Starmer said it was to control the little boats. So I asked the question.

    This is one of the last stings of a dying wasp. The Labour party are not going to see power again in the UK for a long long time.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,267 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's the way it was explained on Sky News this morning, along with some waffle about maybe making it easier to access services in the future.

    I've a job interview next week. A short one but they've sent two requests for copies of my passport. We already have a system for ensuring that everyone working here is legally entitled to do so.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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