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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Don't think it was ever that easy even if she had started lobbying much earlier. There are only a few independent senators who are 'right wing' in her sense and I think she eventually landed all of them. More TDs but a majority of them are tied in to the government so difficult to win over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    I think with a good media campaign she could have got to 8-10%, but even then transfer wise she would have been dead.

    Steen clearly has something about her whether we like it or not, so I would suggest she could run as a TD for Aontu next election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭almostover


    If you're looking for Zing and entertainment the Traitors may have been up your alley.

    The presidential election isn't a TV entertainment show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Michael McDowell, Sean Canney, Noel Grealish and Michael Lowry all could have backed her and they didn't.

    The government has f*ck all to do with this. Fianna Fail and Fine Gael are actively going up against each other. There was nothing stopping any of the above four from signing her nomination forms.

    The fact people are trying to blame any of the parties or 'de left' for this is a nonsense. The whole thing about getting FF backbenchers to sign her papers was designed to spin this message that FF and FG aren't democratic. That is it.

    It's amazing how there are so many people I look at online who are incapable of thinking for themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    It isn't?

    You mean Gavin's not 'I'm a celebrity get me out of here'?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I never cease to be amazed how much debate this largely ceremonial post generates. If I still had a vote it would be for Humphreys, a safe pair of hands who won’t make an eejit of herself.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,339 ✭✭✭1641


    Countries with similar ceremonial presidents don't generally have a national election for the post as far as I can see. Bot Germany and Italy have "conventions" consisting of members of parliament and representatives of local government. We could have an electoral chamber consisting of all Oireachtas members, the mayors/chairs of all the councils (31?) plus a local nominee form each council (need not be councillor). We just need someone who understands the constitutional role and duties and who can ceremonially represent the country with dignity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,960 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Lots" of Boards posters who are using the same "I don't know about her but" or pretending they want her in the race for democracies sake.

    They know their own and her views are wildly unpopular so are too scared to admit they would vote for her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    I think this is why FF & FG were so brazen with their council strategy to prevent any sort of far right or anti-immigrant candidate reaching the ballot, they know that no matter what they or others on the centre right do they won't be held accountable and the left will somehow be blamed.

    I've seen on twitter from the likes of Declan Ganley who is fully convinced FF/FG conspired conspired to suppress socially conservative candidates from reaching the ballot but he doesn't for a moment actually suggest voting against FF/FG, he suggests everyone spoil their vote as a form of protest. As if FF/FG aren't thrilled at their refusal to engage in the voting process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,960 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    She has been around for years and hasn't run. A failed attempt at a presidential nomination won't make her jump at a slim chance of being a TD with a party unlikely to govern.

    Better to stay in the shadows with Iona.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    And yet Maria Steen had plenty of independents who could sign her nomination form that weren't in FF, FG, SF, Labour or SD and she still didn't get over the line.

    There were enough there for her. The fact she didn't get on the ballot is her own fault. And if you want to point a finger at those who 'blocked' her, maybe look at the independents like McDowell, Canney, Lowry and Grealish, who aren't members of any parties and hadn't already signed the nominations of other candidates.

    Why some people want to make this about FF and FG is astounding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I made the mistake of logging into my Facebook earlier and reading the comments under the RTÉ News post on the end of her campaign. Plenty of comments along the lines of "I'm still going to go to the polling station and write 'Maria Steen No. 1' on my ballot paper." Yep, do that, that'll really achieve something.

    If Maria Steen is that keen to serve, why was she nowhere to be seen this time last year when there was a general election around the corner? Much easier to get on the ballot paper to run as a TD. We had council and Euro elections last year too. She's had plenty of opportunities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Nothing screams devout Christian more than a 30k handbag. And talking about elites. She’s full of shite. Good riddance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,320 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    I don't know if I would say it was a failed campaign, their was definitely worse over the years. 18 on a months notice is solid enough and their was clearly differences between her and McDowell that were never going to be solved.

    You are right though I doubt she would bother running as a TD, she's clearly very comfortable financially and despite the presence of Toibin everywhere they ultimately only have one other TD so I don't think the party is on much of an upward trajectory .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,670 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    And so beit - Iona should just reform as a political party, and field candidates 

    Then they'd have to abide by SIPO rules about funding, which they currently as a lobby group refuse to do

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,670 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A significant minority? nowhere near significant enough to get TDs & senators elected and get her nominated that way.

    We have PR so she wouldn't have been "taking votes away" from anyone, especially as she was almost certain to be the first candidate to be eliminated.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭Ardillaun



    I’d be happy with a nomination process that produced maybe ten candidates, both politicians and otherwise, who’ve had some success in life. Then we could subject them to a papal-style series of secret votes by Dail and Seanad, gradually eliminating them. That way the lads and lassies could safely vote against any looper in their own party.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    There are a lot of voters out there, who don't do second or third preferences. Predictably, her fans are throwing their toys out of the pram and ignoring the fact that she put very little effort into getting the 20 nominations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,121 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    Choosing a career politician may seem a little uninspired but they know the drill of keeping a smile on their noggins when under fire and avoiding smart remarks that will come back to haunt them. It’s a tedious marathon performance that few could manage.

    Do I contradict myself?
    Very well then I contradict myself,
    (I am large, I contain multitudes.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,214 ✭✭✭Doc07


    ah got you now, I missed your point initially. Yes that sounds about right. I wouldn’t vote for her in a million years.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,407 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭GNWoodd


    I would have voted for her . As would thousands of others .

    “ Happy “ “ now” ?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No. An utterly stupid waste of everyone's time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,960 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No it's not.

    I don't understand why she is saying it's turned into a farce. 2 or 3 candidates is the norm for a presidential election and we often didn't even have a vote.

    2011 was great fun but it's really gone to peoples heads. Elections full of supposed successful businessmen and religious nuts promising things the president can't do is not the norm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Ah yes legal challenges to elections. The last refuge of cranks and headbangers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,019 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Absolutely. If it were Haughey or even Ahern or Reynolds you could almost smile at their audacity but Martin attempting it is almost like hearing your spinster aunt is moonlighting at the local strip club. In an era in irish politics which is crying out for a political figure with a bit of character or raciness Martin has parachuted in a candidate even more bland than himself.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's essentially a legal challenge to the Constitution.

    Mr Justice Micheál P O’Higgins said, having regard to the importance of the issues, “as distinct from the grounds”, raised by Dr Cora Stack, her ex parte (one side only) application for leave for judicial review should be heard

    This is basically a polite way of saying it is important a court tells her she is a clown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 326 ✭✭Aurelian


    Listening to CC on Newstalk earlier she makes the Presidential election sound like some sort of vote on Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    To be fair I think either of the 3 candidates would be a safe pair of hands. Voting on a presidential election, for me and many others, is a judgement on that particular politicians past history in politics. So when I look at the 3 candidates and see 2 of them are representing parties of housing and healthcare crises, it's an obvious vote for Catherine Connolly.

    I fully accept that she's not going to fix either crisis in the role of the presidency, more I feel she deserves my vote for speaking out about it before.

    Interesting you saw it that way, there was 7 or 8 topics discussed and only one of them was Gaza related, the Syria topic covered Gaza in a distant passing way. Newstalk journalists are famously known for having pro-govt stances and was clearly trying to trip her up.

    I learnt today that in 2016 she said the Labour Party had "lost it's soul" which is something a lot of labour supporters today would agree with



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,330 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A legal nothingburger and she is going to be laughed out of the court, shes effectively challenging the constitution for being unconstitutional, its absurd.

    This quote stood out to me and i think epitomises all candidates who were unable to get nominated

    When he said he was concerned the arguments sought to be raised were not fully developed, Dr Stack interrupted his ruling to say she had just one day to prepare her application



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