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Presidential Election.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Has any party voiced recent (ie within the past 7 years) support for it prior to the current election cycle?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭McFly85


    Ireland showed last year that it has no interest in far-right representation with local, national and European elections. Why should our elected representatives feel any pressure to endorse someone we’ve basically already told them we don’t agree with?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    FFG do not do reform. No chance.

    The Fine Gael New Politics document outlined some reform of the Presidency but that document was all lies and nothing was done with any of the promises. They even said they would reduce the Dail numbers by 20 to bring representation numbers into line with other EU countries.

    Specifically on the Presidency they promised this:

    • A vote in Presidential elections for Irish citizens living abroad
    • Fine Gael will reduce the President’s term of office from 7 to 5 years, provided the people give their approval in our proposed Constitution Day referendum.

    A great line from that 2011 election document was "The finger of responsibility must point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen."

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    While I agree that the major parties (possibly Sinn Fein included) won't want that change, if there is a big push for it, they may struggle to justify why it shouldn't happen.

    Afterall what reasonable justification could they give that won't be an obvious show of "We're just trying to make sure we win"

    The government don't often have to go back against things they want to do. The hate speech probably being the most recent exception to this and perhaps the populations feelings won't be strong enough to force change.

    A lot will depend on how hard Independent Ireland and other Independent parties and smaller groups push for it, before Parliamentary politics and day to day living take centre stage again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    She adds a more radical view of the same opinions but not an opposing one.

    I dont agree with a lot of Maria Steens views but her inclusion imo would have offered a more balance discussion.

    The island was dominated by only Marias views in the 20th century and we were worse off for it.

    I fear the 21st century is going to be dominated by the opposing view and reckon future generations will look back and think we were worse off for it.

    Healthy debate, were all of society feels theyre being listened to is what we should aim for. Maybe in the 22nd century.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,395 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    The presidential election takes place every 7 years.

    Is reform of the nominations process going to win anyone votes? I doubt it.

    This is a very easy one for FFG to deflect. No one will even be talking about nominations in a week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,112 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    One person on the ballot who is not backed by the current government. Just one person !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,922 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Unfortunately we live in an era where fake news and smears are the primary tactic. It might work for some people but it's extreme dishonesty. Integrity isn't the value it once was. You will notice the lack of response to defend the smear.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    18 elected officials endorsed her. So i dont think its faor to say her views do not represent any of the electorate.

    Who wants an echo chamber election?

    Surely her inclusion and subsequent rejection by the voting public would be a better demonstration of democracy than exclusion?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 852 ✭✭✭littlefeet


    I wouldn't vote for her, her real problem was she declared her self too late to build up a bit of momentum and ...I'm not backed by government party I'm independent isn't a strong enough platform, basically..I'm not them isn't enough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Marcos


    "Who wants an echo chamber election?"

    Some on here anyway. And other platforms.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Well I'd like to at least see them have to vote against it.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I never would have voted for her but were I not whipped I would have signed her papers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I find it very strange that there is a narrative that Maria Steen had some God-given right to be on the ballot paper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    An extremely immature viewpoint

    Look at what "politics as entertainment" got the US and UK into.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    The amount of butt-hurt is hilarious.

    The nomination system doesn't need "reform". Unsuitable candidates like Steen and Sheridan were deemed unfit by their democratically elected peers. They all got their chance to make their case and were rightly rejected. The system worked perfectly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,579 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 780 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    Have you looked at who's supporting her on X? It's nearly all far right nutjobs although I suspect most are just bot accounts. Could very well be a Russian bot farm trying to influence affairs here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    That won't go down at all well with the TCD electorate. Although maybe, with the university senate electorate broadening out next time, he thinks he'll get away with it

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Why be in favour of such a restrictive nomination process for presidential elections but not for local, European or general elections?

    When you say “democratically elected peers”. 60 of those peers are themselves “elected” by a small fraction of the citizens of the country.
    in effect we have a process where candidates outside the political party structure have great difficulty in putting themselves before the actual electorate.

    The system does need reform, but just as the Seanad, the status quo suits those in power.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75,232 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    He'll be competing for the priests vote that Mullen gets in that case.

    I'm hoping the wider electorate is enough to see Mullen gone even in a six seater. He won't be transfer friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Why should they give a nomination to someone with no political track record whatsoever just because they come late in the day looking for one?

    The egomaniacs like her and Sheridan who simply can't be bothered with the hard work involved in trying to become a TD or councillor and then rock up with a half-baked presidential campaign and think they have a right to be on the ballot paper.

    They're all talk but if they actually want to have a chance at effecting change then the presidency is the last job they should be looking for.

    Then the idiotic "I don't support X but will nominate them in the interests of democracy"… Gobshites with such little political support simply don't belong on the ballot paper. 20 Oireachtas members is not a high bar for any serious candidate.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,059 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    The brouhaha over Catherine Connolly’s comments about Hamas are interesting considering a former member of Al Queda will be addressing the UN in New York, a short distance from where his former organisation killed thousands of innocent people.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    What makes it clear the public want it?

    We've had far too many total gobshites on the ballot in recent elections. Dragons Den ffs. Turning the presidential election into a circus

    SF don't need it, they have no problem nominating a candidate from their party - if they can find one 🤣

    No advantage to them in supporting such a thing

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    People from the left, the right and the centre voted No for all sorts of reasons, some sensible and some not at all sensible

    Combine a poorly thought out wording with the opportunity to give the goverment a kick and that's what you get.

    The likes of Steen claiming it as an endorsement of their extremely narrow view of politics and of society has zero credibility

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    They even said they would reduce the Dail numbers by 20 to bring representation numbers into line with other EU countries.

    Weird thing to highlight given they reduced it to the lowest allowed constitutional level. The census results were higher than expected.

    The constituonal limit is gonna have to change but as has been shown pushing through constitutional changes is not straightforward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭smokingman


    I honestly haven't looked into the candidates yet but I know for a fact that I won't be voting for a guy that looks like Putin. He could be a nice guy and all but yeah....no



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,040 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You think the view that people should have rights, equality under the law and control over their own bodies is something that will be frowned upon in the future?

    If the Republic of Gilead comes along, then yeah

    This is just more "both sides-ing". Sure the RCC was bad, but dem libruls are just as bad!

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,231 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Ah you can relax now, panic averted. Get back to your embroidery



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