Israel/Palestine Thread

All of your posts are from the perspective of Israelis being the only group that matters - the protection of Palestinians, and their human rights, the crimes committed against them never factor into your narratives. Why?

He clearly thinks they're just a bunch of primitive savages but doesn't have the intellectual honesty to actually say it.

quite rightly. He is a reactive politician only interested in his continuance

All right thinking nations are getting on board now and recognising Palestine.

Uefa will hopefully kick Israel and their teams out of all European football later today.

The tide is turning, unfortunately it might have limited impact if Israel continues the slaughter and land stealing, and the US continue to let them carry on.

Time to cut the US lose as well.

not so sure about ‘limited impact’ - Israel (or Izrahell as increasingly cited) craves legitimacy, acceptance and ‘membership’. Pariah status swipes away all of these at a stroke

I don't see much changing by this, 140 countries last week 150 this week. What do they mean by recognising Palestine as a state, what borders do they recognise for example ?

Surely more substance is involved that just a 5 minute speech by a politician.

Starry: I’m ecstatic. I’ve been writing about this for months... I’ll crack a champagne. 🍾 🍸️

I think the Pro Palestinian protest on the Sydney Harbour Bridge swayed PM Anthony Albanese - middle Australia came out en masse in wild weather conditions ...

‘Australia joins UK and Canada in formally recognising Palestinian state’

‘Move comes as Anthony Albanese tries to secure meeting with Donald Trump and amid warnings that recognition could spark ‘punitive measures’ from the US’

Tom McIlroy, in New York, Sun 21 Sep 2025
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/sep/21/australia-joins-uk-and-canada-in-formally-recognising-palestinian-state

Starry: ^ I’ll be watching this landmark shift in foreign policy. Stay tuned...

To my mind it all depends what you mean by weaken Israel.

Taking away the settlements would reduce Israel's land, obviously. It would also mean there are v disgruntled supremacist extremists in every echelon of Israel society/ government/ religious institutions/ media and military who are totally behind violent annexations of territory they have no claim to.

These people have no qualms about using violence against anyone in their way, and the movement has gained ground over the years in every facet of life including the upper echelons of government. So getting rid of the settlements could lilely lead to severe civil disturbance, maybe even civil war, as is common whenever supremacists are told no, especially religious ones. It could be catastrophic to Israel.

But should the Palestinians suffer dispossession and genocide for the evils that are present in Israeli society? How can you argue that they deserve that fate for having the bad luck of living in a land coveted by an infinitely powerful neighbor? Because this is what this is.

You can talk about the expulsion by the Romans etc, it's absolute nonsense. Somebody white from New York or Hungary is not a native of the Middle East no matter who he prays to. But these people are powerful and some of them are willing to kill and steal on an enormous scale to get what they want. Jewish people were given that land due to the crime against humanity that was the holocaust - it could have been given anywhere. Palestinians are paying the price for this.

On the flip side of your "weakening Israel" argument - Israel are "dominating" the people of Gaza now (there are other more damning ways you could put it).

But this does not mean Israel is being strengthened to my mind, no more so than the Nazis were being strengthened when they committed genocide on European Jews. Immense hatred has a shelf life, and it switches on the self protective gene in people - "if they get away with doing this to them, this can be done to us".

Israels allies are falling away. Their brutality is galvanising most good people in the western world against them, and they will put pressure on their governments, no matter how compromised. Civil disobedience will rise if governments don't act.

In years to come, younger people will no longer see Israelis as victims of the holocaust - they will be seen as akin to Nazis who mass murdered people for Lebensraum. These will be leaders of tomorrow.

Israels treatment of Gazans and attack on Doha is seeing their neighbors join together in defensive pacts (including Saudi Arabia and nuclear armed Pakistan). This will play out if the USA continues to be seen as a compromised and duplicitous partner to these places, who may decide to throw in their lot with China. The USA at some point, either through internal or external pressure, will need to make a choice if the juice is worth the squeeze.

The commonality of agreement between all these various countries and people who would usually have little in common is a disgust for the unsanctioned brutal behaviour of Israel.

And this is in a new world where Israel is leading the vanguard, along with the USA and Russia, toward dismantling international law and rules based order, leaving them (and us all) in massively more danger than we have ever been.

Weapons to end all life exist with many countries - I'm not ok with my kids living in a world where madmen can end it all with no levers in place to stop them getting to that point.

Whether you consider this scenario for Israel as weakened or not, is up to you.I'm not sure there is a way out of this where Israel can't be weakened.

But it is completely and totally wrong that any of this should be the problem of Gazans. What is happening needs to stop now

Israel arrests Israeli conductor Ilan Volkov who criticised the war in Gaza.

Israel needs to have a strategic vision and accept the 1967 borders. Palestine should similarly accept the 1967 borders. They can both move on then and religions of all denominations and tourists can visit the places with such history (Bethlehem, Jerusalem, Nazareth, etc.).

https://gopalestine.org/go-to-palestine/the-top-10-places-to-visit-in-palestine/

Nazism had its day and now Zionism has had its day. The World is sickened by the Greater Israel philosophy. More and more mobilisation against Israel.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250921-new-flotilla-seeking-to-break-gaza-siege-set-to-embark-from-italy/

Well there is the war criminal asserting there is no chance of a two state solution and those that think Israel are going to give up their genocidal gains are onto plums. Israel must now be treated like the terrorist and apartheid state they are.

"What does Hamas have to do with the Palestinian right to self-determination?"