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Random EV Thoughts 2 - The Jimnying

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Just looking at our monthly fuel bills here, the X5 PHEV has used 170 euro of petrol between July and August, down from an average of approx 650 per 2 months

    Obviously it has been well plugged in and there is an electricity cost

    Worst case scenario it has taken 25kwh per workday at 25c per kwh which is €6.25 per day over 40 workdays which is €250

    So savings are at least €230 on fuel in 2 months and likely a fair bit more, estimate around 350 savings on fuel without getting figures from the car



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Nice, was there a premium on the PHEV vs an equivalent diesel?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    PHEV was approx 30k cheaper than diesel version, not that they are even bringing them into Ireland as diesel anymore as they are too expensive.

    100k base price for PHEV, 130k base for diesel. There is only 1 diesel 2025 for sale at the moment and its 160k but is far from standard. They are more or less done now.

    BIK tax band A for PHEV as opposed to Band E for diesels

    Its one of the directors cars here in work, its our only PHEV but its starting to look like a sensible fuel choice when it is plugged in properly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    Class, a much more pleasant driving experience too I bet.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    We plug our 530e in daily. Sometimes more than once. Basically the cable is in the garden 24/7 and herself just plugs it in everytime she parks up.

    Once you have that mindset, it works. Now to convince her to go BEV!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    He plugs in every morning too. He was never going to go EV and would have went diesel again but for the price, BIK rates and general unavailability of them nowadays.

    Asked him the other day if he'd go back to diesel he said no way, just much smoother in petrol and electric.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,749 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I guess the era of Irish people trying to convince themselves that tractor engines weren't crap is over. 😉

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,018 ✭✭✭✭josip


    There will be a few people who will continue 'dieseling' like an 85 Camry we had in Australia and will splutter and chug on long after they should have stopped.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,634 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Chugging on forever, that's not a problem with modern engines. They are more like triggers broom.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,749 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Dublin Bus still have a few mid-00s buses knocking around, mileage on them must be something else, prone to emitting big clouds of black smoke on acceleration though!

    When the garages are fully set up for electric charging, they'll go.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    https://www.electrive.com/2025/09/19/teslas-retractable-door-handles-likely-to-be-hit-by-regulatory-ban/

    Bit of an interesting one here, retractable door handles could face a ban in Chkna and the US due to fire safety concerns

    The issue is they fail during a crash and the doors can't be opened to evacuate the car

    Tesla is specifically mentioned but I assume other EV brands could also be affected

    I know that many of these electronic door handles have mechanical backups but personally I much prefer the purely mechanical option

    I've had door handles fail on my ID.4 because the controller was dead and had to use the mechanical backup. It takes a pretty silly amount of effort and would be difficult for someone with arthritis or a hand injury

    By contrast my mum's ID.3 has had no issues with the old style handles that you just pull out

    I get that the mechanical ones can also fail, but the electronic ones just seem more of a gimmick designed to fail than an actually useful feature

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I had the buttons to open on my iX and I was very glad to have a proper mechanical handle when I switched to the Countryman SE



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Not just Tesla using them. It’s mad how one brand can be used to create a headline. Most have normal mechanical handles as back up, sure the Tesla mechanical ones are the same as and old mini countryman !

    But obviously they consider it a design risk that should be omitted.
    Tesla has responded, stating that it is aware of the door problem and is working on better solutions, according to the company’s head of design, Franz von Holzhausen. He said, “The idea of combining the electronic one and the manual one together into one button, I think, makes a lot of sense. That’s something that we’re working on.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,390 ✭✭✭MightyMunster


    For back doors.

    Is there not a safety issue where kids could easily override the child lock?

    Also for all cars with child lock you can't open them from the inside, pretty sure I couldn't on any car I've ever owned with mechanical doors anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    True, I guess the article cited the Model Y in particular

    Since the Chinese regulator was first on the case then a suspicious person might wonder if that was part of a smear campaign against a popular foreign brand 🤔

    I do agree that Tesla aren't the first company to have them, although it could be argued they normalised them to some degree

    I just find things like electronic door handles to be part of the trend of loading cars with as many tech gimmicks as possible without thinking it out first

    I feel like its more of an effort to justify the €40k+ price tag than any actual improvement

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the gadgets that make life better. I love the matrix headlights and travel assist on my ID.4, wouldn't give them up for anything. Not to mention heated seats and steering wheel, aircon and parking cameras, I've gotten too soft to go without my creature comforts 😂

    But can anyone tell me the problem solved by electronic door handles that seem a lot less reliable than the old manual ones?

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,399 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    That they're electrically operated is secondary to the fact that they're flush. And that's to reduce drag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah how many kilometres does it add?

    5? 10?

    Doesn't seem worth it on a car with 400+km of range

    It's the same thing with replacing wing mirrors with cameras. Always seems to cause as many problems as it solves

    I suppose the mechanics love them, guaranteed €500 or so to replace when something goes wrong

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    That sounds expensive. Tesla charges about €200 for the Model S handle replacement out of warranty.

    Although it’s an easy DIY fix when they break as the early cars just frayed the cable, much the same way as BMW boot wiring looms for damaged from consistent use.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    By flush do you mean more so that there's no grip cut-out below the handle?

    I'd say most handles are flush otherwise



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Flush

    IMG_2674.jpeg

    Not Flush

    IMG_2675.jpeg

    Most door handles would be not flush in my experience.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭JohnySwan


    The Tesla M3/MY door handles and exit buttons are the most stupid things I've ever come across on a car. Everytime I had someone in my M3, I had to give them a bloody tutorial on how to get in and out. I'm well rid of that car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    I meant most EV door handles are flush, not all cars. This is interesting though:

    Adding flush door handles cuts the drag coefficient (Cd) by around 0.01. You really need to know a car's frontal area as well as its Cd, but this equates to perhaps a little more than a mile of EPA range, perhaps two under Europe's Worldwide Harmonised Light vehicles Test Procedure.

    Doesn't seem worth it at all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Aye the internal exit buttons on my iX were a complete nonsense, absolutely nobody that was in the car for the first time knew what to press:

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    For all the minimal advantages of external flush door handles, there's basically zero advantage to a lack of internal handles



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    0.01.
    But added to all the other CoD elements, they add up. It’s like the time they universally removed spare wheels to reduce weight and effectively reduced CO2 emissions on paper to get into a different VRT or tax band.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,900 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    In this case, very clearly not worth the hassle or the lack of safety though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Yeah but you can fix the problem with cheaper batteries or increased energy density, both of which are happening naturally

    Let's put it a different way, the Nissan Leaf, and car in dire need of making every kWh count, has bog standard non flush door handles

    I get that banking on an overabundance of energy isn't the best approach (see any American SUVs fuel consumption) but not every efficiency gain is worth the problems it creates

    Edit: Better example, the Ioniq 28kWh doesn't have flush door handles either 😁

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,328 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    I remember reading the manual on how to pop the frunk to boost the 12v battery on a Model 3 and thinking to myself "how the feck am I expected to remember how to do this in freezing rain on the side of a road"

    It's a real doing the minimum to meet the standard attitude

    Do you have a process to open the door in an emergency?

    Yes

    Is it well marked and easy to understand in an emergency?

    That wasn't listed as a requirement

    "The internet never fails to misremember" - Sebastian Ruiz, aka Frost



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Genuine question, where do you read this stuff or get the information?

    To boost the 12v, or charge the 12v on a model 3, you do not need to pop the frunk. The flap is on the front bumper, just like a towing eye, pop it open and connect a battery charger or even a small battery to get the basics open.

    On the mechanical door opening handles, I don’t know how some people can thinks it’s rocket science, it’s a large pull handle on the door panel. It’s quite hard to miss it for people with vision.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,413 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    So just stop engineering innovation?

    I get it that some people don’t like change, but you have to keep abreast of change or stay in the past. I had 2 Nissan leafs. I don’t want to go back there, ever!



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