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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'd say it's people such as yourself simply being okay with the direction things are going. Government overreach that has never occurred before and you've outright claimed it's not happening. You've pretended to be a centrist or not a trump supporter but when all's said and done, you'll happily act as an apologist. Plenty posters feel like they'd happily be downplaying Mussolini back in the day and that includes you.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Every time this claim is made - That it's "Trump derangement syndrome" or that "it's an echo chamber" - The posters are asked to debate and tell us why Trump is good or why they support him.

    They then post fact free nonsense about how Trump has done XYZ amazing things which are then systematically debunked and disproven by others.

    They then run away saying that we're all mean and just hate Trump and must have TDS.

    We've been through this cycle over and over again here.

    At least we no longer have the "I'm not a Trump fan but" posters - Well, they are still here but at least they don't say that anymore.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,912 ✭✭✭McFly85


    It’s incredibly difficult for Trump supporters to do anything except criticise anyone who opposes him, because he has done nothing except make millions of lives worse.He lies constantly, is incredibly thin-skinned, bitter and vengeful. He completely crooked, taking bribes from other countries out in the open through his crypto or by being gifted planes. He spends most of his time golfing, costing the US nearly $100m to this point. He’s spent another couple of hundred million making a ballroom in the White House at the taxpayers expense.

    There is an avalanche of actions, speeches, tweets and interviews to back up all of the above. He is indefensible. So of course anyone who supports him in spite of all that knows that they cannot defend him, it’s easier to just call out his critics as ‘deranged’. It’s totally transparent and more than a little sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,473 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Claims Americans are living in some autocratic dystopia under Trump is over egging things a bit. And to be clear, hes an absolute helmet.

    But look at the last 60 odd years. JFK killed, Civil Rights, Vietnam War, Nixon resigning, two attempted assassinations on Ford, Reagan shot, Oklahoma City, Monica Lewsinski, 9/11, Iraq War, financial crash……

    The country has always been bonkers. Nothing has changed in that respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You do realise that the reality is that your viewpoint is just incredibly extreme for Ireland. I also wouldn't classify you as non hostile btw. You've happily shouted about TDS on a constant basis while entirely avoiding discussing actual issues..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,754 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Would think the only way that people will wake up to Trump is when or if the economy tanks once people are hit in the pocket that makes them think, it's the same everywhere. There was amble evidence out there about Trump that he is wholly unsuitable for the job but folk just didn't seem to mind at all .They will mind if their money shrinks .

    Post edited by rolling boh on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,421 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Why are your posts almost exclusively about other posters on this thread as opposed to the thread topic?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    He did briefly start grading comedy show hosts too. So he was a bit closer. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,992 ✭✭✭✭briany


    "Trump can't be a fascist. He doesn't wear jackboots!"

    For what it's worth, I don't think Trump is a fascist because that is at least a political ethos, and that's something Trump doesn't really possess. His only concerns are power, wealth and adoration. He could as easily been a Democrat right now, and had been in the past, but figured at some point that it's just easier to cultivate a cult of personality through the spreading of rage and paranoia than it was through love and charm and general good feelings. He just leans that bit to the former, so that's what he went with.

    Now, the people behind him - the people with the actual strategy - oh, yeah, they're very much fascist. I genuinely get the creeps looking at that Stephen Miller person, with his dead-eyed, soulless face and monotone voice. He's definitely a person with a dream of 1984 - a perfect police state where all dissent is crushed and the boot stamps on the human face forever.

    As for followers of Trump, that's going to be a mixed bag. I don't think most are fascist by any means, but they have become so obsessed with a couple of political issues that they're willing to throw away liberal democracy whether they know it or not, and they won't know or care what they've done until the business end of Trump's authoritarian apparatus is turned on them, when they get a knock on the door, but by which point it will be too late…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    At the moments the events are so condensed, what would be the overriding memory of a previous administration's 4 years is just another day of craziness for the current incumbent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,473 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    The best way to make people forget you've done something stupid or crazy is to do something else stupid or crazy shortly after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,134 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    ………and the sad thing is that despite the craziness of all those events and the fact that the US has always been bonkers the present adminstration has outdone it all. What is happening over there is way beyond bonkers. It's sinister and dangerous



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,473 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Nah, Bush was way worse. Killing hundreds of thousands of people is worse imo.

    Nixon committed treason, before he was president, which directly lead to the death of Americans. Which he knew it would.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There is one unfortunate reality that still needs to be remembered throughout all this.

    Trump won.

    And I don't mean just with respect to the election last November. But with respect to having his way, to being able to usher in Project 2025 as they planned to do, to having managed to target and punish those who criticise him, to being able to straight out tell the media that they can't say bad things about him, to being able to simultaneously attack other countries while calling for the Nobel Peace Prize for himself, to being able to target American cities with it's own military infrastructure, to having avoided any true penalty for all the crimes which he has committed and was charged for and of course to having avoided being held accountable for these crimes, including, and especially the crimes against women he met throughout his life who were unfortunate enough that he found them attractive..

    Many of us on here have spent 10 years watching and discussing all of this within the context of the wider global politics space and a lot of us felt Trump was a bad specimen from the start and posted long and hard about the dangers he presented. And I think a lot of us felt that he would get his comeuppance, some day, and yet here he is winning. Bigly.

    When he won in 2016, I thought the machinery of society and particularly that of governance would reign him in to some degree and it did, to an extent. But he and those around him learnt from that experience in a way I wish they never did and look at what they are doing now. This is as bad as we said it would be. this is the fascism we warned about which they have spent the last 2 weeks crying about how they were accused of being such, and here we are.

    For me, this is a very bitter realisation. There is nothing good about Trump. I stand by that statement, he is neither compassionate, or loyal, nor insightful or intelligent. He is not a leader, a team mate or an introverted prodigy. He has been surrounded by what is demonstrably a basket of deplorables and He has won, and his winning has and will continue to embolden that mindset in individuals, and in various electorates who have been accepted that what he has to offer is their cup of tea.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,371 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You patently don't understand debates yourself, you continue to decry every opinion against yours as being part of a hostile echo chamber.

    Tell me, would you have considered members of the resistance during WW2 as contributing to a hostile echo chamber because they were all vehemently against Hitler, his cronies and their antics?

    Trump is as bad as we said he was in term 1 and we said he would be in term 2, why shouldn't we speak to that effect even if those facts make you uncomfortable?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭threeball


    Absolutely ridiculous comparison. Its like going on to the GAA forum and saying Leitrim would beat Kilkenny in a hurling match, but bringing no proof or reasoning. Then when 98% of the people disagree with you, you stick your fingers in your ears and claim its an echo chamber. Its only an echo chamber because 98% of the people can clearly see you're talking shíte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 356 ✭✭somenergy


    Removal of cobert and kimmel was illegal as an attack on the first ammendment and if this thiefing felon gets away with it there is worst to come.

    The spoofer talks deals and give no details if no 1 can question his incompetence the economy already in trouble will crash further worst president in history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭threeball


    That was over 60 years. This mad kunt would complete that list in a week.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,432 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Trump ran on a few core things , The Economy , Immigration and "Ending the Wars" - So let's review his efforts so far.

    The Economy - Claimed (incorrectly) that the economy under Biden was the worst in History and that only he could fix it.

    So far , by every single measure the economy is now much worse and the future outlook is even more bleak.

    Unaffordable Tax cuts for the Mega wealthy that they are trying (and failing) to pay for via Cuts to Welfare and Services that the majority of US residents rely on for their day to day survival.

    The less said about Tariffs the better - They are simply an act of Self-immolation , absolutely nothing good will come from them. They may yet be overturned by the Supreme Court , but despite their implementation being categorically illegal I'm not holding my breath that they'll actually uphold the law.

    Prices have NOT come down despite his repeated lies on this topic (he was at it again in London) - Gas prices are still rising , General costs are spiking due to tariffs and inflation has been rising month after month since May.

    Immigration - This is one that some people might see as a win. And by some I mean the people that don't care about due process or flagrant civil rights abuses and simple unadulterated (now SCOTUS approved!!) Racism.

    Yes illegal immigration has decreased , but the methods used to achieve it are repugnant and self defeating. HOW you do something is just as important as WHAT you do.

    I doubt you'll find anyone that says "I support illegal immigration" but what most people actually want are sensible laws around it. The US needs immigrants to survive, especially in the seasonal industries like Agriculture and the Service/Tourism industry , but there simply isn't a mechanism for short term working visas for these sorts of jobs. Proper policies on how to correctly manage immigration would get widespread support , but Trumps performative cruelty as delivered by Noem et al is simply disgusting and unconscionable.

    "Ending Wars" - Trump famously claimed he'd solve Ukraine in 24hrs , of course he has failed miserably to achieve anything at all there so far.

    Trumps obsession with the Nobel Prize has him trying to claim sole responsibility for every cease-fire and peace deal going , including some non-existent ones, when the reality is that he has had peripheral at best involvement in one or two temporary cease fires in a couple of places. He hasn't ended any Wars.

    At the same time he has bombed Iran , blown up civilian boats off the coast of Venezuela and continues to aid and abet the Genocide in Gaza by Israel and keeps talking about the awesome real-estate opportunities that will be there after the Palestinians have been removed.

    His "work" on Ukraine is laughable , he keeps telling the world that a cease fire is imminent , then Putin does whatever the f*ck he likes and Trump says something like "I'm not happy" but takes absolutely ZERO actions against Putin or Russia to try to punish them for their actions, and at the same time he's cutting support and funding to Ukraine left and right.

    In short his efforts at "world peace" are an abject failure.

    For his 3 big election promises he is failing miserably and it's not a case of "give it more time" the policies he is pursuing have absolutely no chance of success now or in the future.

    So - Anyone want to an honest discussion/debate on the above?

    Any Trump Supporter care to give their views on his performance in those categories?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    Why Trump is a good or even great US President. Here are just a few and he still has over 3 years to go.

    Trump gave voice to millions of Americans who felt ignored by political elites in Washington and the media.

    Trump avoided launching new foreign wars which is rare in recent presidential history, and instead focused on negotiations, diplomacy and peace accords, such as brokering the Abraham Accords in the Middle East.

    Trump pushed NATO allies to contribute more to their own defense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,430 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Im the one talking shite ?

    15 months ago most of the individuals on this thread were adamant there was nothing wrong with Biden and he would run for a second term.

    When rumours of him being stood down first came out they were dismissed as far right conspiracy theories, and anyone who questioned Bidens cognitive decline was castigated.

    This time last year the same posters were roaring that Harris was storming to victory, we know now that the campaign knew they were never in the race, and the dirt is coming out on what happened behind the scenes.

    Most who argued that Trump might win and the reasoning why were treated like a leper, mocked and bullied.

    Who exactly is talking shite ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,421 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,430 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,931 ✭✭✭threeball


    Lies

    Trump has done nothing for middle America except give voice to the racists and facists living there. Jobs are leaving, taxes are higher, farmers are foreclosing, tarriffs have destroyed businesses and its only starting to kick off. Middle america has no more stake in the US today than it did last year. In fact its less.

    Trump has bombed Iran, given Israel license to commit genocide and told then "to get on with it", abandoned Ukraine and propagated lies that they started the war. Encouraging Putin to attack NATO countries also. He has threatened Canada and Denmark and Venezuela. Thats all in 8 months

    Trump did not push NATO countries to rearm, he reneged on treaties, he extorted the countries involved. Rather than giving a ramp down period he just pulled out, then threatened their sovereignty.

    This is why no one comes back with good things he's done, because all you can do is push lies.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,738 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Still talking about posters on the thread and not the actual topic at hand, I see.

    Care to actually comment on something happening at the moment with Donald Trump, you know, the current US president?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,930 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Trump gave voice to millions of Americans who felt ignored by political elites in Washington and the media.

    How, to what end? Why does he keep asking for more and more money from his supporters?

    "Obama gave voice to millions of Americans who felt ignored by political elites in Washington and the media" is an equally valid statement, it means nothing and has no outcomes. The swamp wasn't drained, it was enlarged.

    Trump 2.0: Bracing for criminals, corruption and constitutional crises - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

    Trump avoided launching new foreign wars which is rare in recent presidential history, and instead focused on negotiations, diplomacy and peace accords, such as brokering the Abraham Accords in the Middle East.

    Since trump came in, there has been more wars and deaths occurring. Right wing commentators say he's egging on WW3 (I disagree) but the world is a less peaceful place since trump came into office again.

    The world is verifiably less peaceful with trump as president; the US has become degrees less peaceful during trumps administrations:

    Global Peace Index Map » The Most & Least Peaceful Countries

    Trump pushed NATO allies to contribute more to their own defense.

    Europe was doing this previously in response to russian aggression and attacks in Ukraine (which prompted Germany to legislate for rearming and modernising itself, as an example). trump has had minimal impact here and has been reducing the effectiveness of NATO through his actions to the point where the US is openly mocked and ridiculed on the world stage. NATO allies are mostly hoping to ride out his administration and hope trump doesn't collapse the whole thing.

    Trying to Satisfy Trump, NATO Is Running Into Difficulties - The New York Times

    Fact check: Debunking five false Trump claims about NATO | CNN Politics

    Trump’s claims that NATO members’ spending had declined every year until he took office are false. Official NATO 

    data

     show that non-US members’ defense spending increased in each of the two years prior to Trump’s presidency – by 1.6% in 2015 and 3.0% in 2016. The increases came after NATO members 

    recommitted to the 2%-of-GDP guideline at the 2014 summit

     in the wake of 

    Russia’s annexation of Ukraine’s Crimea region

    Now you get a chance to rebut those points but provide evidence thereof.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,563 ✭✭✭✭Jelle1880


    1. Trump is the elite. He had the Clintons at his wedding… Anyone thinking he's trying to 'drain the swamp' or cares about the common man is an idiot. As for 'giving voice to millions of Americans' ? He's made them more comfortable to say the most vile ****.
    2. He's going after Venezuelans, bombed Iran and is now saying he'll try and get some airbase back from the Taliban. What if they tell him to do one ?
    3. Pushing NATO to contribute more because they're afraid you're a Russian stooge isn't exactly a great achievement. What he has in reality done is shown the rest of NATO that the US is not a trustworthy partner.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,952 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    You were asked to provide examples of Trump being a positive force and this is what you offer?

    And you accuse others of TDS.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,771 ✭✭✭blackbox


    How long before he invades Venezuela to get access to their oilfields?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 206 ✭✭Illusory


    Repute what? Your so-called counter points did not disprove what I said. Want more reasons as to why Trump is good for America… here is a good read that points out 30 of them.

    30 Good Things President Trump Has Done for America



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