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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    From what I remember of Quinn in the past, he was always talking on TV and radio about religious affairs and the perspective of the Catholic Church. His interest in topics like immigration, Israel, trans issues etc seems much more recent….is he simply trying to ride a populist wave?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,602 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    I think Sheridan is aiming for Carlow. If he got that before the weekend it would surely get him momentum for the fourth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,344 ✭✭✭jmcc


    He is an opininator. Immigration, Israel, Gaza and trans affairs are all topical issues. His focus has been on religious issues. He is entitled to his own opinions as are his critics.

    The thing about publications and programmes that have talking heads giving their opinions is that many people will read, listen or watch in order to be outraged. The outraged generally outnumber those who share the same views. Outrage sells.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,202 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Was it definitely a whip on them to only vote HH ? If so , I agree with you .

    As regards your question to me about Gareth Sheridan , I am only finding out about him bit by bit like most everyone else here . Seems crazy alright and also moving back and then " sure why don't I run for President while I am at it this year " ( just my thoughts , not saying he said those actual words !) is equally bonkers to my mind but as I said , we haven't heard the full story yet .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Carlow is 11/18 FF&FG, would need a few defectors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    According to John McGuirk, whatever that's worth,

    He will need to win the support of Waterford County and City Council when that body meets on Friday, and hope for backing from Sligo, Meath, or Leitrim next Monday. Of these, Waterford is by far the most crucial as it was seen by multiple candidates as being willing to nominate in principle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm still a bit puzzled as to why he is taking a very strong stand on issues like immigration and Israel. This ostensibly has nothing to do with the Iona Institute and its aims of the promotion and advancement of the Catholic Church and its theology (and he is the guy who set up the Institute in 2007, not a mere foot soldier). Since when is the Catholic Church anti-immigration?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    A PBP councillor in there too, who will probably be full-steam behind Connolly and would likely vote no.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,344 ✭✭✭jmcc


    You would have to ask him. The Immigration issue has shifted away from the Far Left open borders position and even the government has been making noises about deportations and cracking down on economic migrants abusing the asylum system.

    As for Israel, he may be providing a contrarian view to that of the usual virtue signalling media types and that is better for publications. They can get low grade virtue signalling pieces from any "commentator". Well argued pieces are more difficult to find and get readers even among the perpetually outraged. Think of it in terms of audiences and sales and why publications and broadcasters use such material makes more sense. They know their audiences.

    It was interesting to see the presidential candiates also virtue signalling on the Gaza issue. There was a hissy fit when Gavin used military terms about what Israel was doing in Gaza. It was quickly walked back by FF.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,783 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It's a poor race in truth. None of the candidates has set anyone on fire. Bar SF enter the race, and probably even if they do, I can't see a big turnout at the polling stations. A lacklustre election of people whom you wouldn't give a damn who won it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I would still say Quinn appears to be going on a solo run here and defying everything we know the Catholic Church says about migration - a cynical attempt to ingratiate himself with the 'right wing populist' and MAGA crowd perhaps?

    It would be interesting to hear Maria Steen's views on all this. So far she doesn't seem to have touched on the immigration debate and has confined herself to regular Iona Institute stuff (as one would expect).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,614 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The most hypocritical thing about this is that FG councillors get a vote within their party on who the presidential candidate is (well, would have if he hadn't pulled out due to abysmal support)

    So she wants two bites at the cherry

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,849 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Iona has always been reported to be heavily dependent on foreign funding. It's not a stretch to imagine much of that is from US-based backers on the "Christian" right.

    Quinn will make sure his soundbites match the priorities of those providing the funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I'm still a bit puzzled as to why he is taking a very strong stand on issues like immigration and Israel. 

    If he's doing this as an Indo columnist that's a separate hat, he's not obliged to be advancing the agenda of the Iona Institute/Catholic Church in that context.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    For sure, but he seems to be going totally off-script or off-message in his strong opposition to immigration. In no way would that be the position of the Catholic Church…..they would be the last people you would expect to be coming out with an anti-immigration message or claiming that 'Ireland is full' etc. In other words he is giving very un-Catholic opinions in these articles.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,622 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    This is how Steve Bannon, who presents as a conservative Catholic commentator in an approximate American equivalent to Quinn, justifies directly attacking the American bishops over their 'liberal' position on immigration

    When Bannon, a Catholic, was pressed whether his criticism was fair, he told CBS, "I totally respect the pope and totally respect the Catholic bishops and cardinals on doctrine. This is not about doctrine. This is about the sovereignty of a nation. And in that regard, they're another guy with an opinion."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,121 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If any of the candidates do not perform well in the office. People will be saying “Why didn’t I vote?” Or “Why didn’t I vote for xyz instead?” Seven years is a long time.

    But I think you are correct most people don’t seem bothered at the moment. The 2011 election people seemed much more exercised about it. There was a bit of needle and controversy between candidates.

    For this one you do have to wonder if the electorate is distracted by either international affairs, or the more practical issues Ireland has cost of living, housing issues etc.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Clearest signal yet that SF are going to nominate one of their own for the Presidency.

    "Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald has said the party's participation in the Presidential Election campaign will be a "gamechanger"."

    Backing CC clearly wouldn't be a 'gamechanger'

    "Speaking at the National Ploughing Championships in Screggan, Co Offaly, Ms McDonald said she already knew the proposal she would be bringing to the party, but that it would not be made public until Saturday."

    SF participation in Áras race a 'gamechanger' - McDonald



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭mikep


    SF are definitely putting a candidate forward.

    According to that article they have "a lot of Irish" and she didn't respond to suggestions that it's MO'N..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,877 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    “Our objective comes down to this: For us in Sinn Féin, we want to get Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil out of government, and we want to keep Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil out of the Áras. That's what our campaign will aim to do.”

    That seems very clear to me that SF are definitely supporting Catherine Connolly, the goal of their stated campaign can be achieved without their own candidate and the Irish mention seems an obvious hint.

    They made up their mind on this weeks ago, if they were going to spring a last minute surprise they wouldn't string Catherine Connolly along in this manner for so long and it'd damage relations with other left wing parties they would hope to form a future coalition with. There's no logic in running a candidate when the perfect candidate is already there and every other left party is already behind her and waiting for SF to join, it's the easiest political chess move Mary Lou will ever make.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,121 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It is definitely not O’Neill if the candidate has “a lot of Irish”. Given that McDonald herself is by no means fluent. It must mean more Gaeilge than Mary Lou.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭feelings


    Disagree here. Sounds more likely they'll back CC. I don't believe CC can win without SF but I guess we'll know who they decide on fairly soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,484 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


     it'd damage relations with other left wing parties they would hope to form a future coalition with. 

    Comes down to what internal SF thinking is on the possibility of that happening.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭mikep


    If backing CC is what they regard as a "game changer " then I'd suggest they are out of ideas...

    Apparently Pearse,at the ploughing, was saying that they have plenty of people in SF who'd be great candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Which article refers to "a lot of Irish"? The RTE one on Mary Lou's comments doesn't say anything about that…..are you speaking about a different article?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,484 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    She's hardly gonna talk down their decision. I wouldn't pay much mind to that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,121 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    If you were internal SF what do you think -

    1. Would be SF’s best course of action?

    2. Would be SF’s likely course of action?

    3. Would appeal more to the grassroots
    in SF?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,422 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    If backing Connolly is what they regard as a 'gamechanger' then I'd suggest they're out of their minds.

    The most Republican thing about Connolly is her surname.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,658 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    My interpretation of her remarks is that she's not talking about CC at all. She would hardly be that enthusiastic in backing someone who has nothing to do with SF : it sounds much more like they have identified a potential candidate and are about to name them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,761 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian




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