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Israel/Palestine Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,067 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Have a read of this and tell me in your very limited and blinkered view whether the UN could possibly be correct.

    Israel has committed genocide in Gaza, UN commission of inquiry says

    Take your time and read all 4.

    The 72-page document alleges that Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces have committed and are continuing to commit four of the five acts of genocide defined under the 1948 Genocide Convention against a national, ethnic, racial or religious group - in this case, Palestinians in Gaza:

    1, Killing members of the group through attacks on protected objects; targeting civilians and other protected persons; and the deliberate infliction of conditions causing deaths

    2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group through direct attacks on civilians and protected objects; severe mistreatment of detainees; forced displacement; and environmental destruction

    3. Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the group in whole or in part through destruction of structures and land essential to Palestinians; destruction and denial of access to medical services; forced displacement; blocking essential aid, water, electricity and fuel from reaching Palestinians; reproductive violence; and specific conditions impacting children

    4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births through the December 2023 attack on Gaza's largest fertility clinic, reportedly destroying around 4,000 embryos and 1,000 sperm samples and unfertilised eggs

    Which one do you think is incorrect? No reply expected unless it's completely irrelevant.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Here are my answers to your questions

    2: Of those killed in Gaza, how many were:
    <1% a) Legitimate Hamas militants
    <3% b) Civilians killed as collateral damage in pursuit of Hamas militants/infrastructure.
    96% c) Murdered for giggles, + ethnic cleansing, genocide, savagery, hatred, and bloodlust



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    As for those alleging genocide,

    Theres no "alleging "genocide - its been confirmed by multiple agencies including the UN. Not alleged - confirmed.

    1: How should Israel wage all-out war against Hamas without collateral damage?

    Theres collateral damage and theres wanton destruction of Palestine - Its gone beyond a "war against Hamas" as Hamas are defeated - its time for Israel to stop now - theyve already genocided enough.

    2: Of those killed in Gaza, how many were:
    a) Legitimate Hamas militants
    b) Civilians killed as collateral damage in pursuit of Hamas militants/infrastructure.
    c) Murdered for giggles.

    A- According to Israel - they dont even know how many Hamas fighters there is. The below says it all.

    In January 2025, the Jerusalem Post said the "numbers don't add up" regarding initial Israeli estimates of Hamas' forces.

     In October 2023, the IDF had estimated Hamas 25,000 fighters; in 2024 the IDF said it had killed 17–20,000 fighters, wounding another 14–16,000 and capturing 6,000. Yet in January, it said there were still had 12–23,000 fighters left. To reconcile the discrepancy, the IDF revised its October 2023 estimate to 40,000 and said Hamas must have recruited thousands more.

    B - Taking that Israel say they have killed 20,000 , wounded another 14 - 16000 , captured 6000 - out of a total Hamas fighter number of 25,000 (which makes zero sense)- then the rest of the genocided 65000 ie 40000 are civilian collateral damage - or in my view is equal to "C" - killed for **** and giggles.

    If those questions are answered in that UN report, that would be great.

    Those questions arent part of the requirement for genocide to be declared.

    Just in case you dont understand the definition of Genocide Ive listed it AGAIN for you.

    Israel have committed 4 out of the 5 requirements for a genocide to be declared. Again not "alleged" - CONFIRMED.

    Key aspects of the definition: 

    Intent to Destroy: The crucial element of genocide is the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a specific group.

    Protected Groups: The targeted groups are national, ethnic, racial, or religious groups.

    Specific Acts: The acts included under the definition of genocide are:

    Killing members of the group.

    Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.

    Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction.

    Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.

    Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

    No mention of having to explain who has been killed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,067 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You're wasting your time I fear. Another disappearing act with no honour. Good post though.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I would trust Bernie Sanders over virtually any other American politician to deal with the Gaza crisis:



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    Are you totally devoid of all morality? Do you think infants are legitimate targets? And as usual you trivialise what's going on by throwing in the "for giggles" bit. Well some/many of your BFFs do murder people, including children, "for giggles". Your defense of all of this is pathetic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    You haven't been following the thread - this was posted weeks ago.

    "Data from an internal Israeli intelligence database indicates that at least 83 percent of Palestinians killed in Israel’s onslaught on Gaza were civilians, an investigation by +972 Magazine, Local Call, and the Guardian can reveal. "

    https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/

    Likewise

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 456 ✭✭Iecrawfc


    When are UEFA/FIFA/Olympics going to turf Israel national team and its clubs out of their competitions? That should be the next step in their isolation as a pariah state for ever more, presumably afraid of American influence and money been withdrawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,150 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    The attack on Qatar has brought regional tensions into sharper focus:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,340 ✭✭✭brickster69


    The world continues to shift in a different direction as Saudi Arabia forms a mutual security agreement with Pakistan. Others in the pipeline also and totally kills off the Netanyahu masterplan for the IMEC trade corridor in favour of BRI through Iran instead.

    The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters. — Antonio Gramsci



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    EU continues to be a joke. They are proposing sanctions against six billion euro of trade with Israel out of 42 billion euro trade (2024). The EU want to be clear that they do not want to publish Israel for murdering somewhere between 100,000 and 200,000 Palestinians. They won't even be able to pass their shambolic sanctions :)

    “I want to be very clear: the aim is not to punish Israel. The aim is to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza. All Member States agree that the situation in Gaza is untenable. The war needs to end,” Kallas state.

    The proposals, which do not currently have enough support from a qualified majority of the 27 member states, aim to impose tariffs on some €5.8 billion of imported goods from Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,490 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It 'will' happen I suspect and not in the distant future. Israel and its government are heading towards total pariah state status - we may well end up at the point where teams and athletes simply refuse to compete against them, so the decision will be forced onto the governing bodies (we can see this playing out in Eurovision at the moment).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,379 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    If.....

    Honestly you're a parody at this stage....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    It looks like there is serious moves on the ground in Gaza City, tanks moving in. They don't take too many prisoners. The communications being cut off means there is no way of contacting anyone to warn them of the incoming threat. A lot of people will be killed in a serious ground assault. Israel in full rampage mood it seems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,067 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I am not a fan of Morgan but someone sent me this today. Have a listen to the absolute imbecile from 24 mins. He argues like some folks here.

    The propaganda imbecile....eventually... says that 90,000 have been killed in Gaza and 30,000 were Hamas. Nothing to back it up but it's higher than Hamas Health Ministry numbers. Imagine being so lacking in character and cowardly that you would take that propaganda job and spout so much nonsense all day.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 11,242 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    90,000 have been killed in Gaza and 30,000 were Hamas

    Yet Israel says that there were only 25,000 - 30,000 Hamas fighters pre October 7th. In which case they got them all!!!

    But in February 2025 Israel said there were 16-18 thousand left - a fairly **** army in that case - did they get 30k or only 14-16k and the rest were civilian deaths.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,067 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    The Israeli guy, who I have never come across before, was all over the shop. He tried to sound intelligent but he was an imbecile. He said the Civilian:Hamas ratio was 2:1 and there were 30,000 Hamas killed. Piers then said that brings the total to 90,000 which is more than the Health Ministry have declared. But I think the Israeli imbecile thought that 2:1 meant 1:1 and that it was 30,000 Hamas to 30,000 Civilians. He knew he had messed up but just kept talking rubbish rather than explaining or admitting the 90,000 number. He was a complete fool by the end. The Israeli propaganda machine is quite pathetic at this point.

    Post edited by Cluedo Monopoly on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,943 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Straight up colonialism -

    "Israel's far-right finance minister Bezalel Smotrich has said the Gaza Strip could be a "real estate bonanza" and that he is in talks with the US about dividing up the territory after the war - an idea previously condemned internationally.

    Speaking at an event in Tel Aviv, he said "a business plan is on President Trump's table".

    "We've done the demolition phase... Now we need to build," he said."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y59z6rznvo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭rogber


    So what do Israelis think about the atrocities going on in Gaza?

    If this is halfway accurate, most support killing all Palestinians, including women and children, and believe a lot of the footage from Gaza is fake.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,490 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    This mirrors exactly what Ori Goldberg and others have been saying. The entire country are genocidal and on board with the mass killings, because the victims are 'only Palestinians' and Palestinian lives are irrelevant and worthless.

    This would be the mindset of the genocidal fanboys from outside Israel on social media too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Big week coming up for Palestine. Will the seven countries hold to their promises to recognise Palestine? Recognition would make the World map of recognition countries look much fuller. The UNSC voted 14-1 today in favour of an immediate ceasefire and an immediate release of the hostages (those held by Hamas, not the civilian hostages held by Israel).

    • France, the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, Belgium, Luxembourg, and Malta


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,015 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    ... and ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,211 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It looks like Israel did not go after Hamas at all. They went after Gazans of any age and sex under the guise of '' there are no innocent Gazans ''. They haven't a clue how many Hamas members they have killed because 2,000 pound bombs do not discriminate between Hamas and innocent civilians.

    Just like the Nazis thought Jews were Jews and as such are guilty, Israel thought Gazans are Hamas and as such are guilty.
    The Israelis learned a lot from the Nazis and operate in a similar way..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Exactly as Israelis are saying on Social media. There seems to be no innocent Israelis where genocide is concerned apparently. Just like some here. That's sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,248 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The brazen criminality of the IDF in Gaza was most ironically highlighted in December 2023 if I recall correctly. Three of the israeli hostages (men) managed to escape from their captors and approached an IDF unit in Gaza seeking rescue while carrying a white flag. The IDF soldiers gunned down the first two hostages, and continued to fire at the last hostages over the course of 15 minutes while they tried to seek cover and shelter while trying to scream they were israelis. When he finally emerged, the IDF soldiers executed him.

    All of the hostages were unarmed and approached the IDF soldiers carrying a white flag. But such is the behaviour of the IDF that anyone in Gaza is targeted and killed. Ironically, they would still be alive if they had stayed with their Hamas captors who fed them, watered them and protected them. Also ironically, the IDF soldiers couldn't tell the difference between a Palestinian and an israeli. The incident of IDF soldiers massacring unarmed civilians only attracted any reporting because the victims were israeli hostages.

    None of the IDF soldiers who killed the israeli hostages faced any disciplinary action, and the IDF confirmed there would be no changes to their ROE in Gaza as a result. From that moment on it was clear to me that the genocide came first, it came before any concern for hostages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 56,689 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes that really sums it up. They seem a bit cowardly too with their shoot first and ask questions later.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,401 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    I think we can be pretty certain that the tens of thousands of children killed weren't Hamas fighters.

    Considering there's verified reports of Israeli snipers actually shooting young children, it's pretty hard to say Israel isn't targeting children.

    Or are the children actually tiny Hamas members in disguise? So they belong to the snow white brigade they're secretly building Hamas tunnels whilst singing "Hi Ho"?

    And if you think I'm being flippant with you, yes I am. This is because there's a mountain of evidence of genocide. Every day there's accounts of atrocities. And no-one is held accountable. If I remember, the only time that anything was done was after the world food program cars were tracked and blown up, the IDF reassigned the people who did it.

    And when Israeli soldiers shot and killed three Israeli hostages who were unarmed, holding their hands in the air, waving a white flag, stripped to the waist and shouting in hebrew, the only consequence was that the soldiers were given counselling. One of the hostages actually ran and hid in a building. He kept shouting that he was israeli and the troops told him to come out and he's be safe. When he came out, they shot him.

    What they did was murder. they killed three defenceless, unarmed civilians. But their rules of engagement don't just allow it, they demand it. Nobody batted an eye when that happened. It was only later after the bodies were identified as Israeli that there were any consequences. If they'd been Palestinian, there wouldn't have even been an investigation.

    So, every day this stuff happens. Every day there's indiscriminate killings. For months no food was allowed in. And loads of respectable orgs have compiled lists of all the known actions, all the comments from the administration and have concluded that there's a direct intention to commit genocide.

    But sure, stick your head in the sand. Pretend that this is the most moral army in the world when they've deliberately starved millions.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,015 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The world opinion is changing rapidly on the Israelis. Every day brings more evidence and more countries finally waking up to what's going on.

    So id say to all those who are siding with the Israelis on this, be careful with your cheerleading. You are going to end up on the wrong side of history.

    And those of us who have been on the side of the innocent civilians being slaughtered for 2 years, we are not on the side of Hamas, which is the angle BN would like to portray. We are on the side of women and you babies who are being murdered daily. Or starved to death.

    If you still back the Israeli army and BN in their actions today, next month, next year, next decade, then you are going to find yourself ostracised. It'll be the equivalent of claiming the Nazis were the good guys in WW2.

    To be a supporter of genocide, ethnic cleansing, slaughter of kids, doctors, reporters etc is going to be a mighty hard thing to argue for in the future.



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