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Madeleine McCann

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    I suppose this is possible in terms of radius at least, but it really depends on what the tower was recording, what it could record and what records were kept. If signal strength was being recorded or time delay between phone and tower, that would probably narrow down the possible range and position of Brueckner's call on the night in question. I suppose if that information were available, either the Portuguese or German police would already have it, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The problem is, even if you locate the phone within say 1 meter of the McCann's apartment it still wouldn't prove murder. It'll be just circumstancial. Bruckner would probably say that he lost the phone that day, or given it to somebody that day, and that somebody doesn't even live anymore or has forgotten about that. They only have a phone which logged into that cell phone transmitter at that time, and had a say 30 minute conversation with an unknown individual before Madeleine's disappearance.

    In the end, without DNA it'll be hard to pin it on Bruckner. It's also strange that Bruckner left no DNA at all whilst lifting the shutters of the window, or climbing through that window. Another thing is, how did Bruckner leave the apartment? Through the door to the car park? It's a bit hard to just climb through the window, having a small child under the arm. Did he have help? It would sound very much so.

    Also, the case isn't a murder case without a body or other real proof that Madaleine is dead.

    So far the Germans can't indict him on abduction, on molestation or on murder in this case. Essentially they have nothing, or if they have they're holding it back from the public.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    Is the cell tower capable? Yes maybe, but is that level of detail logged and stored is the question. I suspect not.

    The problem is, even if you locate the phone within say 1 meter of the McCann's apartment it still wouldn't prove murder.

    We are talking ~20 years ago. There'd be enough reasonable doubt to have that particular evidence thrown out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,796 ✭✭✭micks_address


    Its on channel 4s youtube or was a couple of weeks ago anyway… it was very repetitive.. could have been a 20 minute doc.. bruckner is obviously not a great person.. you'd hope he wouldnt be wandering the streets any time soon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Glimmer of hope for some kind of closure in this case, or at least to keep Brueckner in prison - the bones found during the latest search were originally thought to belong to an animal but are now being retained for further forensic analysis. Long shot, but we'll see how that develops.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/madeleine-mccann-praia-da-luz-search-b2767908.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Just finding bones won't keep Brueckner in jail. They'd have to prove that Brueckner's DNA is connected then it's a match. Otherwise, if it is Madeleine it would only confirm her death. Up until now we don't even have that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    If it's just about keeping Brueckner in jail, the Germans do have some form of protecitive custody for repeat offenders who will most likely comit the same crime once they are out of prison. Brueckner would most likely fit that requirement, but I am not certain how easily the German authorities can enact that law?

    Even if the bones are Madaleine's, the chances of convicting Brueckner are as far as I know slim. Just phone data from the next cell phone tower or a trip to Portugal during the same time wouldn't be enough.

    I am also curious why the Germans thin it was Brueckner and nobody else? I presume they do have evidence but not saying what kind and how strong. I am guessing it's not as strong evidence as we all believe it to be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Regulation pinch of salt required here, I think, but thought this was worth posting.

    https://news.sky.com/story/plot-to-kidnap-child-hatched-a-week-before-madeleine-mccann-disappeared-13066078



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Interesting post. Other than that, what still surprises me:

    "Christian B, who cannot be fully identified under German privacy laws…."

    In German media the name is often mentioned as Christian Brueckner. Is this poor research by Sky News?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    As much as we'd all want to keep Brueckner in jail there are indeed chances he didn't do this particular crime at all.

    Neutrally looking at this case, we don't have anything on Bruckner on this particular case, other than a visit to Portugal, a drifter lifestyle, a few other crimes and a log to the closest cell phone tower. The pictures on that hard drive or USB stick are probably not conclusive enough, otherwise they would have dragged him to court already.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,974 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Of all the people who've ever been suspected in the case, Brueckner seems to me the most probable. That is not to say he definitely was in any way involved, just to say that a scenario involving him requires the fewest assumptions.

    But fair trials don't run on assumptions, and if the Germans cannot procure sufficient evidence against him, then he'll walk free.

    I would hope that the recent searches would turn up something that might at least implicate him in some other crime, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 304 ✭✭Roald Dahl


    There indeed are restrictions around the identification of people involved in many criminal cases, even following a conviction.

    This is my understanding of how it works:

    It is allowed to mention the person's first name with the initial of their surname, their age and the city they live in. A photo of them can also be published, but it must be blurred. Filming is even allowed in the courtroom, but only before proceedings begin and any footage of the accused must be made unidentifiable.

    However, the reason for this is not "German privacy laws", but the Guidelines for journalistic work as recommended by the German Press Council:

    https://www.presserat.de/pressekodex.html?file=files/presserat/dokumente/pressekodex/Pressekodex2017english.pdf&cid=218

    Section 8 states:

    The Press shall respect the private life of a person and his/her right to self-determination about personal information. However, if a person‘s behaviour is of public interest, it may be discussed by the Press. In the case of identifying reporting, the public interest in information must outweigh the interests worthy of protection of the persons involved; sensational interests alone do not justify identifying reporting. As far as an anonymization is required, it must be effective.

    GUIDELINE 8.1

    CRIMINAL REPORTING

    (1) The public has a legitimate interest in being informed about crimes, investigation proceedings and trials. It is the task of the Press to report on these issues. (2) The Press shall only publish names, photographs and other information enabling the identification of suspects or perpetrators if the legitimate interest of the public outweighs the interests worthy of protection of the persons involved in the individual case. Factors that are to be taken into account in particular are: the intensity of the suspicion, the seriousness of the allegation, the state of proceedings, the suspect‘s or perpetrator‘s degree of fame, the suspect‘s or perpetrator‘s earlier behaviour and the intensity with which he/she seeks publicity. In general, a prevailing public interest may be assumed if:

    • the crime in question is extremely serious or special in terms of its type and dimension

    As mentioned, this is only my understanding and I would appreciate any input from someone who has knowledge on the matter. If someone can provide information as to actual criminal law behind these reporting restrictions, then please include the corresponding paragraph in the Strafgesetzbuch which covers it.

    So, it would appear that Brückner has no entitlement to anonymity under the German journalistic code and his full name and photograph are indeed being openly published in German media. Sky seem to have misunderstood something along the way here.

    Additionally, there is a mechanism to continue detention for very serious offenders after their prison term has ended. It's called Sicherungsverwahrung. To my knowledge it needs to be defined at the time of sentencing and cannot in this case be applied retrospectively. I would have thought there was a strong case that could be made for Brückner in this regard, but this does not seem to have happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Zere were reports in ze German media zat Christian B would most likely be a free man in September.

    https://www.n-tv.de/panorama/Maddie-Verdaechtiger-Christian-B-steht-vor-der-Freilassung-article25922113.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    It was mentioned today on the BBC, - Radio 4 PM programme. Bruckner is to be released within the next few weeks. There is no real evidence to bring him to trial in the McCann case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,641 ✭✭✭Bogey Lowenstein
    That must be Nigel with the brie...


    They never had any evidence but they acted like they had him bang to rights. What was this important piece of evidence the German police claimed to have that would blow the case wide open?

    It was never released and they have gone silent about it.

    This is one of the weirdest cases ever, not just the crime itself but how it has been investigated by the various police forces and reported on in the media.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    They've never had any strong evidence against Bruckner is this case. It was just one line of enquiry the Germans were following up upon. Also in order to prove murder you must have a body and they haven't found anything, not in Portugal, not in the places in Germany Bruckner frequented.

    As far as I know they've had login data of his cell phone from the night of the abduction close to the abduction site, or at least to the transmitter site closest to the abduction site. They may also have had incriminating pictures on a USB stick but nothing connecting Bruckner to McCann.

    There were also discussions of him being released with the condition of wearing some kind of bracelet to pinpoint his position. Not certain if that's going to happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,324 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    In June 2020, the world's eyes turned to Braunschweig: The public prosecutor's office declared Christian B. the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case. Investigators were confident they could hold him accountable. Five years later, hopes of a solution have evaporated—and Christian B. is a free man.

    It's not often that the public prosecutor's office is "100 percent certain" of a perpetrator and yet fails to file charges for years. Thus, the announcement by the Braunschweig investigators at the end of 2021 was quite remarkable: They were "convinced" that Christian B. kidnapped and killed Maddie McCann in 2007. However, because the suspect was already in custody for another offense, they would take their time to charge him "with the best possible evidence," they continued. Given the status of the investigation at the time, the Lower Saxony investigators were a long shot with their promise to the world. Around three and a half years later, it turns out: apparently, it was too far.

    Christian B. is about to be released from prison. He has served his seven-year prison sentence for the rape of a 72-year-old woman in 2005, and as of Wednesday, he will be released from Sehnde Correctional Facility. This means that the still officially prime suspect in one of the world's most spectacular missing persons cases is now a free man.

    In order to protect B., who is also known internationally as the "Maddie suspect," during and after his release, the court is in close contact with the police, says his defense attorney Friedrich Fülscher in an interview with RTL. He also reveals that B. already has concrete plans for his time in freedom. The lawyer declined to reveal what these plans are or whether the 48-year-old, who has already lived abroad for many years in the past, might be planning to leave Germany, citing the need to protect his client. However, B. has the right to leave the country. An indictment against him for further alleged rapes in Portugal ended last year with B.'s acquittal due to a lack of evidence. There are currently no further arrest warrants.

    "Top league of danger"

    This is precisely what the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office views with great concern. "From our perspective, we must assume that he will relapse," authorities spokesman Christian Wolters told AFP. Investigators cite a psychiatric expert in this regard, who classifies B. as "the absolute top tier of dangerousness." Furthermore, B. has not undergone any therapy while in custody, thus not coming to terms with his actions—B. has already been convicted of multiple sexual offenses.

    Against this backdrop, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office applied for so-called probationary supervision for B. If approved, he would be assigned a probation officer, would be required to have a permanent residence, and would have to report to the court as soon as he intends to leave the country. He would also be given an electronic ankle bracelet, allowing authorities to track his whereabouts at any time. Whether these measures will be implemented is a matter for the Hildesheim Regional Court to decide. And even if they are, the effect is likely to be limited given the enormous risk the investigators assume. Because the ankle bracelet only works within Germany, as Fülscher explains. "In fact, once he crosses the German border, this ankle bracelet is virtually ineffective."

    The Braunschweig investigators hope to maintain the greatest possible control over B. Out of concern for public safety – and to prevent the 48-year-old from going into hiding. This would significantly complicate what is probably the most complex and internationally significant investigation conducted by the Lower Saxony police. Even five years after their announcement, they have not yet been able to conclusively determine what Christian B. has to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

    World looks to Braunschweig

    It was a memorable press conference in June 2020 when investigators announced they were investigating a German man in the Maddie case – specifically for murder. For years, the case surrounding the disappearance of the then three-year-old seemed to be progressing very little. Hopes were high that the little girl's fate would finally be resolved and her family would finally have some certainty. Suddenly, the mysterious case shifted from the Portuguese Algarve and Leicestershire, where the family lived, to Braunschweig. This was where Christian B. had his last residence, at least within Germany.

    B. had lived abroad on and off throughout his life – including on Portugal's Algarve coast. It was here that little Maddie disappeared from her family's holiday resort on May 3, 2007, while her parents were having dinner at a nearby restaurant. B., who financed his life in Portugal through burglaries in hotels and holiday resorts, came under the investigators' scrutiny primarily because of his local proximity to crime.

    panorama05.06.25Investigators stay on the caseExcavators now in use in the search for Maddie

    At the time of Maddie's disappearance, he was living not far from Praia da Luz, where the British McCann family also rented their vacation home. On the night of May 3, his cell phone connected to a cell tower near the vacation resort. This is likely the strongest evidence linking B. to the Maddie case, but not the only one. B. has multiple criminal records – including for child abuse and possession of child pornography. According to British media, investigators found numerous children's photos, children's toys, and 75 children's swimsuits on the premises of a factory that B. had purchased. Chat histories were also allegedly seized there in which B. shared his child rape fantasies with other pedophiles. Furthermore, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office repeatedly emphasized that B. had no alibi for the evening of Maddie's disappearance. All of this makes B. undoubtedly a suspect. However, the circumstantial evidence does not establish a concrete connection to Maddie.

    Weak chain of evidence

    This is contrary to witness statements. Acquaintances of B. say he admitted the crime to them. According to "Spiegel," Helge B. claims to have once spoken to B. about how strange the girl's disappearance without a trace was. B. replied: "Yes, she didn't scream." The statements are the first concrete leads on B. – but there's a catch. In court, they are the weakest evidence, especially if the crime happened 18 years ago. Memories fade, actual experiences blur with what is heard later, and descriptions are often barely accurate.

    In short: There is evidence linking B. to Praia da Luz, possibly even to Maddie. However, investigators have nothing to put their announcement from back then into action. Maddie's body, if she really is dead, has still not been found. There are no DNA traces, or possibly even fibers, that would conclusively link B. to the crime scene. Therefore, charges are out of the question.

    While investigators continue to believe that B. kidnapped and killed Maddie, they only have one chance to hold him accountable. If they indict B. and he were acquitted due to the weak evidence, there would be no possibility of prosecuting him in Maddie's case. This would be impossible even if—hypothetically—the girl's body were found, along with traces of B.'s DNA. The reason for this is the prohibition of double jeopardy enshrined in the Basic Law: No one may be punished or prosecuted more than once for the same crime.

    Authorities placed great hope in several investigations surrounding the Arade reservoir in southern Portugal. B. is said to have enjoyed spending time at this location. The area was last searched last May. Previously, the reason for the search was "recent developments," as prosecutor Wolters told ntv at the time. However, investigators remained tight-lipped about the results both in 2023 and after the most recent searches. At the latest, however, it can be ruled out that there was a breach at the lake. Otherwise, the Braunschweig public prosecutor's office would have used it to issue an arrest warrant—and prevented Christian B. from becoming a free man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Thanks for the translation.

    The verbal evidence what Bruckner said or didn't say is hard to admit, as it's from similar like minded individuals with a criminal past here and there, - so that's even more a reliability and credibility question.

    Bruckner is most likely going to live overseas somewhere, - I would guess some place in Latin America where nobody cares too much about his past and police turn a blind eye towards everything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Which countries would allow him in? He won't get a visa due to his rape conviction and if Interpol decide to flag this guy, they won't allow him in as a tourist. Due to his high-profile status and history of evading the law, I can't see him leaving the EU without a new identity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    He's a career criminal, he'll know how to do it. He's been a drug dealer once but not convicted as one, so he knows his way around in the criminal world. There are more than enough corrupt countries turning a blind eye to everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    He's a paedophile, most harden criminals despise paedophiles; which is they're usually sent to prisons with other sex offenders. We put ours in Arbour Hill Prison. How many folks would be willing to do business with this guy knowing that he's the most infamous paedophile in the world and I don't see what advantage corrupt countries will gain allowing someone like him in.

    The German authorities also have the option of electronically tagging him, which effectively ends his chances of leaving Germany.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Speaking of the Devil, he's out:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/09/17/christian-brueckner-mccann-suspect-released-prison/

    What are Brueckner’s release conditions?

    Electronic tag

    Passport revoked



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭csirl


    I cant help thinking that a lot of the CB speculation is simply blame the local bogeyman stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,469 ✭✭✭nc6000


    He does seem like a very strong suspect in fairness, but I guess if they actually had any evidence he did it then they would be charging him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,002 ✭✭✭Day Lewin


    We don't know if he did that actual crime; but he is absolutely, undoubtedly, a serious danger to any child.

    An amoral, dangerous, heartless predator and lifetime criminal.

    A bogeyman indeed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    His solicitor wants to appeal against the electronic tagging. Passports aren't really revoked, but he would have to hand it in, most likely to the local police authorities.

    In Germany by law one must have a registered address with a local authority and they all must also have some form of ID, it's called the "Personalausweis". It's a legal requirement to have this ID on oneself at all times, it's also required for opening bank accounts, getting a cell phone contract, renting an apartment, and registering a car but also allows for travel as well, - especially within the EU.

    I suppose if Bruckner wanted to comit a crime or leave Germany he could easily do that no matter if it's illegal for him or not. Remove the electronic tag, travel with the "Personalausweis" to some other EU country, get a false passport and leave the EU all together to some corrupt 3rd world country where nobody cares much.

    Criminals don't live by the rules imposed upon them.

    I also suppose many in Germany would be happy if he left for good and never came back. They'd arrest him in Germany for sure upon return for breaching the release conditions, but if he won't come back, I'd say nobody in Germany or in the EU will miss him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Tampering with ankle tags triggers an alarm and can be very difficult to remove, depending on the type. What will happen if the authorities decide to post 24-hour police surveillance outside of his home and follow him every where he goes?

    Whether the German public want him in the country or not is irrelevant, the police have a job to do. Very few people care about Del Boy Hutch but there's still a patrol car parked near his house on Champions Avenue to protect him from the Kinahans.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    We don't know any of this. It's possible that his solicitor is able to get the ankle tags removed, - or also not. Triggering an alarm and calling out a police car to his address is one thing that could give him a good head start. They will require him to hand in the passport, but I don't think they are legally able to refuse him a German Personalausweis. He may also have knowledge of obtaining a stolen or fake passport somewhere, enough to fool authorities.

    I'd say the first order of business for Brucker would be the question on how to generate some kind of income, and that legally, preferably legally….. Whatever he does and however he tries to get away, he'd need some form of money first, so he will stay low, and calm and regroup. Most likely nobody would hire him or he will only be able to do some kind of poorly paid job. I am also sure the British tabloids may be after him as well, photos, etc… And then he'll do his research, looking for a country with no extradition treaty to Germany and then how to get there by whatever means.



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