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Gun stock siezed by customs

  • 11-09-2025 02:31PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22


    Hi All

    I ordered a stock from Boyds in the US. I presumed that as stock are availably over the counter here that ordering from overseas would be no issue. Customs requested my Firearms Cert, now I've gotten notice that the stock has been detained and that I'll be getting a letter with the appeals process in the post.

    Has this happened to anyone in the past? Any advice would be greatly appreciated

    Tom



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭hiddenmongoose


    didnt this happen before to a serving Garda , who brought them to court ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 614 ✭✭✭BSA International


    Once again someone in Customs hasn't got a clue about firearms legislation ......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Rifter


    This happened to a member of AGS in 2020/2021ish, iirc, there was a thread on it and the outcome but I can't seem to find it when I search. He was vindicated and received his stock but I don't think it went to a full HC decision(stand to be corrected)

    Clearly someone, once again, does not understand the legislation and staggeringly is unaware of the previous incident.

    I suppose you've 2 options, wait for the appeal letter and deal with them

    or

    Contact whatever org you may be a member of, make them aware of it and, easy to say for me as it is not my wallet, seek legal advice.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    One thread, the one referred to above, with a very successful outcome for the licence holder when customs seized their chassis(stock):

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,253 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    They stopped a bipod on me last year the idiots!

    Requested certs etc

    I told them you can walk into Smyths and buy one! They released it after I spoke to revenue in Dublin Airport.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,482 ✭✭✭garrettod


    Hi,

    Another option might be to contact An Post's CEO with a politely worded complaint, citing the legal precedent.

    It's David McRedmond and his email address is:

    david.mcredmond@anpost .ie

    Actually, a few emails calling for him to roll out better training for his staff in relation to firearms legislation in general, may also be worthwhile.

    From what I hear, he's a reasonable and capable person.

    Thanks,

    G.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    Unfortunately an post will just say this is a customs problem and accept zero responsibility.

    Had that happen before with a detained parcel.

    The fact that both agencies work hand in glove notwithstanding, the only option there is to go to revenue/customs directly, not an post or a courier.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,328 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    And Customs will throw it back and say it is An Post that alerts them to suspicious parcels as An Post has no powers of seizure of mails.Nor have Revenue got the power to direct An Post to return mails to its departure point,just in case they[AP ] try that one on as well.

    Trying to get in contact with Customs is a Kafkaeusque experience as their main phone number can be answerd by any station in the country that picks up the phone. They might issue you a registerd letter informing you of impoundment of your goods and what your options are.At least then you now have a name and contact point to work on.Once you have such you can ring and send a copy of your license to get it released,no doubt after customs relives you of some import duty,and a note of the above High Court case and how it didn't work out for customs,if they get silly ideas.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 TomCox152


    Thanks all for the advice. Nice to know I have some legal precedent on my side at least. I'll update here how it plays out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 TomCox152


    Update: I got through to An Post today who were able to confirm that this isn't a question of payment, that the stock was siezed because of what it is. Below is a copy of the appeal I have submitted to the revenue commissioner today (with some details removed for obvious reasons

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    I am writing to formally appeal the seizure of my parcel XXXXXXXX, containing one rifle body, which was seized on 11th September 2025 pursuant to Section 34 of the Customs Act 2015 and deemed liable to forfeiture under Section 17 of the Customs Act 2015 (Seizure Reference: XXXXXX).

    I request the release of this item for the following reasons:

    1. Lawful ownership and purpose

    • I hold a valid Firearms Certificate (No. XXXXXXX) issued by An Garda Síochána, authorising possession of rifles for lawful personal use.
    • The seized item was ordered directly from Boyds Gunstocks, 25376 403rd Avenue, Mitchell, SD 57301-5402, USA.
    • It is specifically manufactured to fit a Sako A7-M rifle, of which I am the licensed owner under my Firearms Certificate.
    • The rifle body is therefore intended solely for lawful personal use under the certificate already granted to me.

    2. Nature of the item

    • The item seized is a rifle stock/body, which constitutes the furniture of a firearm rather than a mechanical or operational component.
    • It does not affect the firing mechanism, chambering, or control of ammunition.

    3. Relevant legal precedent

    • In Michael Rochford v Revenue Commissioners (High Court, 19 January 2021), presided over by Mr. Justice Charles Meenan, the court ruled that certain firearm accessories which do not constitute component parts of a firearm are not liable to forfeiture under the Firearms Acts or Customs law.
    • This ruling is directly applicable to my case: a rifle stock/body is functionally analogous to the accessories considered lawful in Rochford.

    4. Statutory and legal argument

    • Section 2 of the Firearms Act 1925 defines “firearm” and “component parts,” with the emphasis on parts essential to the operation of the firearm (barrel, breech, trigger, bolt, etc.). A rifle stock/body is not included in this definition.
    • Section 3 of the Firearms Act 1925 requires licensing for firearms, but does not restrict the import of accessories or furniture that do not alter the mechanical operation of a firearm.
    • Sections 34 and 17 of the Customs Act 2015 empower Revenue to seize prohibited or restricted goods; however, as the item in question is not a prohibited or restricted good, the seizure and claim of forfeiture are without legal basis.
    • In combination with the Rochford precedent, it is clear that a lawful, non-operational accessory like a rifle stock/body cannot be treated as a component liable to forfeiture.

    5. Request for release

    • In light of the above, I respectfully request that Revenue release the seized rifle stock/body immediately.
    • I am happy to provide any additional documentation or proof of lawful ownership as required.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to your prompt response and the release of my property.

    Yours faithfully,

    XXXXXX



    I'll continue to update this thread as this all plays out

    Tom



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 204 ✭✭pg339


    Had the same issue recently here in the North. Myself and my son bought three stocks from Boyds that came in through Heathrow. They were coming with UPS. Got an email from them that they were being held by customs and a form attached to fill in "importation of firearms". Replied to the email saying they were pieces of wood and not firearms and basically for those that didn't know, a wooden handle. I also told them to open the boxes and check. They were released within a few hours with an apology. Apparently because the boxes and paperwork were from Boyds Gunstocks the only thing that a poorly trained individual saw was the word gun and a large box.🙈

    Hope you get it resolved quickly. It is very frustrating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,328 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Hmmm.Maybe best not buy Boyds stocks,Our Customs seem to have a gripe with that company. Wasn't it a Boyd stock in the Rochford case too?

    Also a excellent letter written there by the OP. Should keep it as a template for future Ref in such cases of non critical components.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,072 ✭✭✭Gorgeousgeorge


    Well written fair play. Keep us updated



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,410 ✭✭✭J.R.


    Yes - letter is very well written - clear, concise and to the point.

    Hopefully, upon receipt, the stock will be released.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 248 ✭✭Sandy22


    Agreed, a good letter. The only flaw is the use of the word "body" to refer to a stock. Traditionally the body of a firearm is what we now usually call the receiver, which is a controlled part.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 TomCox152


    Valid point. I used the word Body as that was the terminology they used in their initial contact



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,607 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That might be the source of the confusion on their end.

    When they requested your cert, did you provide it before it was detained? Or did they detain straight away. As holding until you prove you’ve a license is somewhat logical, holding afterwards if the garda case all over again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 TomCox152


    No they initially requested the cert, then it was detained afterwards. I had a phonecall with the customs officer handling the case today. He said that he couldn't say yes or no at this point but that I had put forward a very strong argument. Hopefully should be hearing in the next few days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 263 ✭✭Rifter


    I wasn't sure whether to even comment.

    I am very confused by "... had put forward a very strong argument."

    You have no argument to make and customs has no grounds to seize the stock. I do hope they realise how wrong they are and release the stock but I can't understand how it is going to take them a few days to realise they were already wrong on this no less than 5 years ago.

    It is of course completely up to yourself, but I would be contacting a rep body at the very least.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 TomCox152


    I know, and I agree. That said, I think it's a bit like dealing with airport security. Right or wrong they can and will make your life very inconvenient so I'm being polite and patient.

    Oh and I've contacted Country Sports Ireland and they're willing to step in if necessary. But we'll try the friendly path first



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 440 ✭✭hiddenmongoose


    being polite and patient is a waste of time, they are wrong..they have been proven wrong on this in court before..you have highlighted this. send a solicitors letter.



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