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Eurovision Song Contest 2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,313 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    BREAKING: Eurovision organizers are reportedly offering Israel two options to end the participation crisis:

    Temporary withdrawal from the contest for one year “to avoid humiliating removal by European countries”

    Participation under a neutral flag

    https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1967274046103400635



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,718 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    How would a neutral flag work? Everyone would still know it's Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,387 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Neutral flag, whatever about in a sporting contest for individuals, would be absolute nonsense for the ESC country by country voting, especially if there is still televoting.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭yagan


    Israel would still buy votes off national telcos like in the last contest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,352 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    "We now go live to the void for their scoring"



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,524 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    ”And the winner…with 656 points is…NEUTRAL FLAG!!”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 946 ✭✭✭itsacoolday


    I did not vote for anyone. I have never been to a music festival in Israel either, but I have been to a number of Muslim majority countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I believe the notion is that they would perform under the flag of KAN and the point would be to dissociate the performance and performers from the country.

    I'm not sure how voting would work as it's never been done in Eurovision before to my knowledge



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,524 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    Turns out Louis Walsh was - shock! - putting an act together for Eurosong 2026.

    “I have some great songs”, he lied.

    I may have some (very slight) respect for him if he just called his boyband The Kens and be done with it!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,874 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I still don't seem to know who in RTE put forward this to withdraw…. management seem very reticent on this

    Hmmmm….



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭supereurope


    He had a great act lined up - they were young, good-looking, and I think they could have gone all the way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I think this has been denied this morning. To be honest, they're both terrible ideas.

    The first proposal: no matter how much the EBU butters Israel up, they will never withdraw voluntarily. The propaganda value of Eurovision is massive for Israel. As other posters on this thread have said, Israel has no sporting stars, it's never going to win the World Cup, etc., but Eurovision is an event it can win (and has.) It's never going to walk away voluntarily.

    The second proposal: how would that work exactly? We'd all know it's Israel, the televote (and juries) can still be manipulated to vote for it. All it would mean is there would be no Israeli flags on display. But we'd all know who it is.

    Mark my words, Israel will NEVER withdraw voluntarily and it will never accept competing "anonymously." And as I've said previously, there are certain groups and individuals who will be happy to let Eurovision die to protect Israel from any embarrassment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭supereurope


    I don't know if this has been shared here before, but it's worth sharing again. This article has come from the EBU, btw.

    https://spotlight.ebu.ch/p/israeli-government-agency-paid-for



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,681 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I thought that was well known already. If i'm not mistaken posted it last year at the time of the vote although it could have been in a newspaper.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I'm not massively surprised, I'd be surprised if we found they were the only ones doing it

    Couple this with a massive force of anti-Israeli crowds not tuning in, and certainly not voting, in the 2025 edition with the opposing sides being more likely to tune in is likely why they did so well

    You ask me RTE should be sending an act, and those opposed to Israel should suck it up and vote, otherwise they run the risk of Israel having a better chance at winning… Wouldn't that be worse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Personally, I don't think anything can stop an Israeli victory in 2026 anyway, unless they do what Azerbaijan does - cheat, be accused of cheating, avoid punishment, lie low for a while until it blows over, then try again. Azerbaijan had a great set of results (8th-3rd-5th-1st-4th-2nd) between their debut and 2013, when the first allegations of their vote manipulation emerged, then their results slumped a bit before picking back up in 2019. Allegations then emerged again after the 2022 contest, and their results have slumped again since. So it's possible Israel might consider lying low in 2026 to take the heat off a bit before trying again in 2027.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Spain's TVE to make a decision tomorrow about its 2026 participation:

    https://www.rtve.es/noticias/20250915/rtve-decidira-este-martes-si-se-retira-eurovision-caso-participe-israel/16729754.shtml

    (Sorry, I know I keep sharing broadcaster links here that aren't in English but I'd rather much rather share information directly from the broadcaster than someone on social media.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Giving up is only going to further improve Israel's chances of winning though. Why would RTE want to allow that to happen?

    Looking further then into the future, where will the Eurovision be hosted in 2027? Will Ireland be sending a representative in 2027 to Tel Aviv or Jerusalem?

    I don't think there's any apology necessary. Google translate is our friend here. I think this is the most important line in that article (translated)

    The RTVE Board of Directors will meet at 9:30 a.m. to decide whether Spain will participate in the European competition if Israel participates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    If this is announced today, it will be hugely significant. One of the 'Big 5' countries and main funders of the Contest - hard to imagine a scenario where one of the heavyweight nations could be forced out of Eurovision in order to accommodate Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    As has been mentioned before, there is no mechanism for the EBU to force Israel out of the competition so they will have to suck it up if Spain, or any of the other big 5, withdraws. That will make 5 broadcasters in total to have pulled out and I've a sneaky suspicion the French broadcaster will do similar



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Theoretically yes, but one of the Big 5 being effectively forced out of the Contest to accommodate Israel (along with the sixth biggest Eurovision nation Netherlands) would be a huge crisis for the EBU - no guarantee that other countries wouldn't withdraw as well at that point. If the EBU would sooner see ESC 2026 cancelled than expel Israel, then they wouldn't be fit to govern Eurovision.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    The Big 5 thing is a stalemate really. It was mentioned on the BBC news last night that if Israel were removed then Germany and Italybare likely to withdraw. In the current climate I could also see the UK withdrawing or strongly objecting. The EBU are in a no win situation here then. Damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If I was the EBU however and had to make a choice I’d choose to be on the right side of history and to protect the competition so I’d let Germany and Italy and potentially the UK walk if they want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They're not being forced out, they are making a decision not to partake, but yes it's still a massive crisis for the EBU and they have to grin and bear it. I also agree that more will follow, as it stands just 22 national broadcasters have formally agreed to participate, although they will be able to withdraw without financial penalty up until mid-December.

    Cancellation of the 2026 edition, due to lack of funding and potential viewership, is certainly one route the EBU have out of the situation, although I suspect they will only have the same problem next year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    From a financial point of view that makes no sense. Let 3 of the big 5 walk instead of 1 (perhaps 2 - depending on what happens with France) and watch the money float away?

    If KAN was removed the German, British or Italian broadcasters would likely not have an issue with that considering the only way of suspending or expelling a broadcaster is from that broadcaster breaking the rules. The EBU has shown zero tolerance to this in the past and they would be expected to do the same in the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Cancellation of the Contest in order to accommodate Israel and not risk offending them would probably signal the end of Eurovision. Not at all certain the Contest would return in 2027.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,809 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The potential reason for cancelling would be financial though. Nothing at all to do with Israel



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,690 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I have a feeling Germany are bluffing. Very easy to say (off the record conveniently) they would withdraw if Israel were not allowed compete, but it could well be a load of hot air on their part.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    RTVE's board of directors have apparently passed a motion to withdraw Spain from Eurovision if Israel are taking part

    https://x.com/ESCdiscord/status/1967890722058801237?t=jtoq9mN0T02pvGf9KujiEg&s=19



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    It's only September and already the number of countries withdrawing is gathering momentum.

    If Eurovision is faced with 3 choices, expel Israel, let the contest go on with maybe half the entries, or cancel 2026, I think the Morrocan Oil sponsored craven cowards will choose the later option.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    My money of a bluffer would be Italy. Throughout this entire wider Israeli military crisis Germany have been supportive of Israel. This is for good historical reason but I still can’t see them openly breaking and going against Israel’s participation. I think they might negotiate for a managed way of having Israel not participate this year.

    I’m not optimistic however. In the end I see Israel competing because they’ll do their usual jumping up and down and scream and scream and scream act along with raising hate towards the competition from their US base. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to sabotage the voting in some way. 5 or 6 countries pulling out is still manageable even if one is a big 5. Say also France pulls out, it will definitely look quite bad at competition time but this will be the lesser of two evils. The competition will end up even more damaged at the end of all this.



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