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Charlie Kirk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


    This is the sort of hate filled rhetoric spewing forth from trump’s propaganda network which is then amplified by the right wing bobble heads. Who is radicalising who?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,269 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Ah look, just stop listening to cnts on the Internet. Left and right. They're doing it for cash not for the good of the world



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    George Floyd wasn't killed for robbing a pregnant woman, something it is unlikely his killers knew about at the time. He wasn't killed by a lone gunman, in circumstances that everybody agrees was an unlawful killing. He was killed by the police, people that are representatives of the state and of legality itself, people who are employed to uphold the law, not to break it. That is why, rightly, his killing -and all the other illegal or disputed killings by officers of the law-arouse more outrage.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭aero2k


    I don't think we should assume either way, but surely on some campus somewhere there was at least one student who could hold their own? Kirk was around for a while, could a few students not get together and prepare? Don't US universities have debating societies? If Kirk's points were mantras (and I agree many of them had at least the appearance of that) then they should have been easy to predict and respond to.

    I don't think Kirk at 31 would have had the time to explore topics to their fullest extent either. I just don't buy the idea that students are young therefore incapable of arguing their points.

    I agree with your comment on lifelong learning, I made the same point earlier.

    Edit: I just thought of something else: I don't know if it's the same in the US, but there's an increasing % of students here who go on to do PhDs, which require a concise oral defence of the candidate's thesis in front of academic experts. Surely the likes of Kirk wouldn't have an advantage over them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    The question is now, whether he will be a bigger asset to the Repugnant Party dead, or alive. His little trips to Greenland with Sonny boy Chump, his attack on Trudeau as a loser in the 51st state debate shows that he was a staunch promoter of American imperialism. It’s always nice to see these types go on about Anti or Unamericanism in their midst while undermining the sovereignty of other nations.


    I really like the idea of keeping womenfolk at home, though, duh.


    Kreisst, I think even Mormons (in their infinite wisdom) are inclined to let Taylor and Cassandra find their way, lol.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,895 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I think the arguments regarding college debate is going around in circles. I'm just not impressed by them. That could be due to the fact that Steven Crowder, another online personality, used to do a lot of them and he is a numbskull that couldnt even hold his side of an argument with Joe Rogan. I'm sure some of them are good but mostly I've seen students react to challenge like a deer in headlights.

    I dont think anyone was considering Charlie Kirk an intellectual before he was shot, but he was a good youth movement leader.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    He was a scumbag regardless of the circumstances which got him killed. He doesn't deserve murals or statues or people burning cities in his honor. The person who killed him is now serving his punishment, and that should have been the last of us hearing his name, if ever. And about the other killings, if any good thing came from this it was the bodycams, which proved that too many of these police - black persons interactions result in the lawful use of deadly force.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    👏 A fine post. It says what should be obvious, but still needed to be said and needs to be repeated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Did Kirk ever approach a debating society for debate? He specifically avoided challenges to him as much as he could. He just wanted easy wins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭tara73


    I think it's interesting nobody ever analysed possible real culprits/why this guy was murdered. For me, the only sense makes it were the republicans themselves. They sacrificied him in order to gain even more sympathy than there is already with the myth it was somebody from the lbgtq community. They reach two goals with one thing (the murder): discredit the far left and with that gain power. oldest trick in the scumbag books of the 'elite' of the world. And not to think the 'far left' are any better, they proably have their ducks in a row already with their own stunt discredit the right wing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,536 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    He committed crimes, and he served his prison sentences. Ireland lets hordes of people with hundreds of convictions runaround without so much as a slap on the wrist. They scumbags, too?

    Is Derek Chauvin a scumbag by your rules? He murdered George Floyd. Did Floyd deserve it because he was a scumbag?

    Is Tyler Robinson a scumbag, too? He's not been convicted of anything yet, that won't happen for awhile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


    Kilmeade is not just some cnut on the internet. He is one of trumps chosen ones. He is in contact with trump on a regular basis. He spews out this shite on one of the top rated shows on the top rated network in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭aero2k


    And apparently he got them. I'm not arguing that point. I'm just taking issue with the blanket statement that "the poor little students couldn't be expected to go toe to to with Kirk". Some of the people making that point would no doubt be in favour of proposals to lower our voting age to 16. My college experience was of meeting some of the dumbest, and smartest people I ever met, and there was no correlation with age. And I've pointed out the fact that colleges tend to have debating societies, and not all students are freshers.

    BTW Kirk debated Cambridge students, I think it was an actual debate but I don't know - I do intend to watch it. The people he debated with made some very kind tributes on his death.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    But the crux of the issue is you have white people shot by black cops sometimes it's controversial and you won't get an equal response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Oh yeah, people with multiple convictions are scumbags, unfortunately they can't be locked for life but they should, they never change. They can't change because they are scumbags.

    Yes, he is a scumbag too.

    Yes, him too. He's some evil scumbag, one who planned a murder in detail.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 54,667 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I've seen Kirks debates. He usually loses them pretty badly but since the audience is mainly conservatives they hoot and holler no matter how stupid the thing he says is. He either loses the debate but says something inflammatory to get the crowd on his side or win by using a strawman argument to change what is being debated or make a bad faith statement that the debater has to admit to, if they aren't an experienced debater then they aren't quick enough to realize they question is in bad faith. For example.comparing gun deaths to motor deaths when they are not equivalent in the slightest. He often comes across as a bit thick as well but still has the crowd on his side but that says more about people that support conservative interests at the expense of their own interests.

    Debating is a completely different skill set than what you need in academia. If you have been in a debating club before they will often give you a subject that is hard to defend or something you don't even agree with and have to defend it. Defending you phd or masters is not like that of you've gotten that far you've got a good understanding of your work and it's usually more like a chat about your chosen subject with someone who is very enthusiastic about the subject. If you are getting into debates and trying to defend your data then something has gone very wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,604 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You are making deductions from a Governor making statements not in an official capacity but during an interview where when challenged would not specify who made these allegations. Do you believe that is in accordance with his earlier plea of him looking for people to dial back the rhetoric ?

    As I have said, the only thing we know from his family and friends is from what his Grandmother said of the family being Conservative voters and his father being a strong Trump supporter, and the allegation from a school friend who has since withdrawn them.

    I don`t see where anybody is going off on a mad tangent by pointing out that Tyler Robinson comes from a family with very strong MAGA beliefs nor do I get that some here believe that there should be universal empathy for someone who didn`t believe in having empathy for others, and who ultimately ended up as another statistic in the homicides by gunshot which he saw as a means of ensuring the Second Amendment was maintained.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    "According to The Guardian he said that on the Charlie Kirk Show on the 23 January 2024. And that source says that he also said the following on his show: ''If you’re a WNBA, pot-smoking, Black lesbian, do you get treated better than a United States marine?'';

    ''Happening all the time in urban America, prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact. It’s happening more and more'';

    "Reject feminism. Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge."

    "There is no separation of church and state. It’s a fabrication, it’s a fiction, it’s not in the constitution. It’s made up by secular humanists."

    "Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America".

    ''If I’m dealing with somebody in customer service who’s a moronic Black woman, I wonder is she there because of her excellence, or is she there because of affirmative action?''

    ''If we would have said that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racists. Now they’re coming out and they’re saying it for us … You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.''

    "Martin Luther King was not a good person"

    Then they're the anti-semitism (abandoned when it no longer became convenient) .“Jews control … the colleges, the nonprofits, the movies, Hollywood, all of it”. “Jewish communities have been pushing the exact kind of hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them,” ;“the philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country.”, “Tucker Carlson mentions that Jewish Americans have primarily been financing cultural Marxist ideas. We said this, by the way, last week, and people came after us. We actually said it in a different way. We said, I'm glad that Jewish Americans are reconsidering their financing of cultural Marxism,” 

    ''the great replacement strategy, which is well under way every single day in our southern border, is a strategy to replace white rural America with something different''.

    Plenty more where that came from on the Charlie Kirk show.

    He also helped fuel claims about the "rigged" election that led to the Capitol riot.

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    Charlie Kirk is an intellectual who never earned a college degree, yet he can debate even the brightest minds. Just a few months ago, he debated Oxford and Cambridge students. If anyone thinks he is a scumbag, racist, or fascist, I urge you to watch his debates and judge for yourself.



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    And for those on the left with short attention spans, watch this,

    "George Abaraonye The Face Of DEI At Oxford Union, Celebrated The Death Of Charlie Kirk"


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭marilynrr


    What I find interesting is that what people consider far right now are often views that were mainstream a few years ago, definitely not far right anything or radical in any way. Many peoples views have remained the same as they always were, yet now they're called far right for the same views. The views were SO common and mainstream that most people didn't even feel the need to discuss them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,923 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They would also usually have ground rules and acceptable sources (to prevent off-topic-ness about the sources themselves).

    Going into a debate with someone like Kirk without that setup is a recipe for a loss regardless of the truth, just through practice, they'll know how to "win" from a losing position even if it makes 0 sense when following logically and rationally. You don't get into slagging matches with professional comedians or truth telling contests with actors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


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    This was what happened when Democrats were assassinated by a known maga republican. This shows some of the real differences between the right and the left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


    this is the sort of racist bile Kirk was spewing:

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,817 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Yeah he tried to debate in Cambridge and got obliterated. He even tried going to his classic playbook "What is a woman" joke while a Cambridge student ignored it and just kept continuing on the actual topic they were debating.

    Without his cheerleaders his jokes were about as much use as a lead balloon and his debate talent vanished rapidly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭tara73


    and who were the 'democrats being assasinated' by a known maga republican? names please.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Was he anywhere near the stature of Charlie Kirk? I do admit America has a big problem on both sides. Unfortunately the majority of the media doesn't see it that way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭TerrieBootson


    I have a question regarding site rules and their application to this thread. Abuse is a bannable offense across the site, yet I see people called scumbag, troll, bigot and others. Is this now ok because someone is dead?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh a meme, it must be true!

    FACTCHECK

    Kirk was speaking on his show, "The Charlie Kirk Show," on July 13, 2023. He never once said "Black Women", He was talking specifically about television presenter Joy Reid; former first lady Michelle Obama; then-U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, a Democrat from Texas; and Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 399 ✭✭scuba8


    Typical response. Trying to be dismissive and disrespectful to an elected representative and her spouse. These were actually working for the people of their state instead of just trying to make money out of them.

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