Charlie Kirk.

Eh? There are multiple instances of him saying hateful bigoted things. Several have already been cited here on Boards, in this thread and the Trump one. Is there currently a problem with anterograde amnesia here? And, no, spouting outrageous conspiracy theories, dog-whistling and spreading rightist internet memes is not "debating".

So he was a bigot, but was a polite bigot? Sorry the thinks he wrote about Haitians eating cats and dogs doesn't endear him to me.

Not sure what the 4th has to with anything, but okay…….

He had the right to take the 5th absolutely. But he cannot then be held aloft as a paragon of free speech, someone who always tells it like it is or any of that nonsense, if he chooses to NOT exercise that right out of fear of ending up in the slammer……He clammed up to save his own skin instead of telling the truth. That's not a free speech absolutist, that's a coward.

He is on record as telling women to submit to their husbands, what about their free speech? He frequently hid behind the concept to sling mud at his adversaries and call for them to be rounded up and investigated. Remember the "prowling Blacks that go around for fun to go target white people, that’s a fact"? Or the "We need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor." Free speech for him to say it but not free speech for anyone to say their gender is _______. He wanted free speech on his own terms, but anyone else could go and sh1te. That ain't free.

Appreciate the point of agreement.
Look with any form of computer programming, the one thing that holds true is that the inputs shape the output.
For LLM usage, that means that as well as the vast amount of training the models undergo via structured machine learning.
That also, when the LLM is in use by individuals, that their searches, prior use and in particular any answer style that the user clicked like on?
Becomes the LLM's new basis for ensuring that the user likes its next answer.
And make no mistake, the AI wants the user to like the answer it gives.
Much like the AI algos want to drive screen time, the AI wants to ensure its the users preferred LLM.
So it shapes answers to fit the user almost as much as the evidence.

I disagree that it sidesteps anything, because to be clear.
My post relates to AI being used by a user to assess the posts of another user and proclaiming that user supports or justifies murder.

I didnt address the Cox interview in that post.
I'd also point out that AFAIK, I was the 1st to post Cox's CNN interview and his apparent confirmation of Robinson's relationship with his room mate.
I have zero difficulty reporting facts and to be clear, there is still no attributed quotes from any family member confirming that Robinson's politics are left.
Cox is the source and even he seems unsure.
The only family attributed quotes, even at this stage are from the Grandmother confirming the family is all MAGA.

As for Fuentes disavowing any link to the shooter?
Of course he is, I mean if you were Fuentes, wouldnt you?
In any case its not as if Fuentes directed Robinson to go and kill Kirk, no more than Loomer did when she proclaimed Kirk "Anti-Trump" back in July.
However, if I was at the head of such a group and it was likely a follower of my shít posting that went out and shot a lad that MAGA sees as a leader?
You can be damned right I'd put myself out there disavowing any links, real or potential.
The notion that Fuentes, who has had a relationship with a catboy and received fellatio from Destiny is Anti-LGBT?
Ignores the reality of both his own history and the entire deliberately contradictory nature of the Groyper movement.

As a PPS:
Elon's retraining of Grok doesnt seem to have gone too well.
Its still returning Robinson as a Groyper albeit in a far less detailed answer than it did when I last asked it on the 13th.

Here's one.

Exactly. Nothing.

I dont think its patronising that someone whose main job is debating and commenting on issues online is debating students who are spending most of their time studying for an easier fight.

We had a video on this thread of the kirk saying he had love for lgbtq people and the student didnt have the wherewithal to bring up his stance against gay marriage and gay couples adopting kids.

It was definitely victim blaming anyway...

True. My point was the value of debates between intellectuals and students seems to be so the intellectual can post video showing how they destroyed the libs. An intellectual like Cristopher Hitchens would have easily dismantled Kirks weak statement. Kirk debated students as they were at a level he could overcome.