Charlie Kirk.

Agree with that but would "price to pay" describe his view more accurately than "necessity"?

I am not sure he would have advocated culling the population in periods where there had been no deaths from shootings .

When I was in the States I was threatened with a gun (and also,separately with a rubber hose )

I felt it was a barbaric culture ,vowing never to return-that was in the 70's.

The preponderance of evidence—from Gov. Cox’s statements, family testimonies, and the anti-fascist engravings—indicates Tyler Robinson was motivated by left-leaning ideologies, specifically hatred for Kirk’s conservative positions on issues like transgender rights and “fascism.” He was not right-leaning; claims otherwise stem from unverified social media rumors without backing from law enforcement or reliable reporting. This fits a pattern of isolated radicalization among young people exposed to online echo chambers, rather than organized extremism. The investigation is ongoing, and a trial may reveal more, but as of September 14, 2025, the “truth” debunks right-wing shooter theories and supports the left-leaning narrative, albeit with nuances around his unaffiliated status and personal life. Political violence like this underscores the dangers of polarization on both sides, but facts point left.

I suppose "price to pay" would also cover it. But then if it`s the price Kirk was willing to see others pay for the Second Amendment, I fail to see how some feel we should have empathy for someone who didn`t believe in empathy, when they end up paying the price.

Last time I was there was in 96 even though my sister and her husband owned a condo there for 15 years until 2019 I had no wish to return. They sold up and left because they could not listen to any more of the MAGA rhetoric from Irish born and those of Irish descent. People they thought they knew as people you could reason with for years prior.

“I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.”

I can't help but wonder if he included himself in that cohort when he said this.

Still, I'm sure that the American right wing will be very committed to limiting gun control.... For them. Trump has been banging the drum this week about left wing violence and the DoJ has broached the idea of restricting gun access to transgender people on the basis of transgenderism being classified as a mental illness. So, we can get a sense of the way things are likely to go.

"Gun control for thee, not for me."

I don't know where I heard this but I heard that the Irish abroad had a bad reputation for racist attitudes.I found that in my family,which may be why I remember the saying.(think I might have heard it in the SA context)

As for Kirk I have great empathy (sympathy?) for his last moments (I won't watch that) but not for his life in general .For that I would need to "get in his head" (walk in his shoes) and that seems like a miserable place to have been in -too hard for me to want to explore.

He died in 2nd Amendment paradise. The USA of his dreams and wishes.

"The shooters family have said so, link?" I watched an interview online on one of the American news stations that said he was radiclised to the left according to family and friends I'm pretty certain it was the Utah Govenor who said it. Presumably thats a fair statement for me to make a and again caveat with (if its true). Should I beleive a poster on boards.ie ahead of the governor of the state invloved in the investigation into the assasination? WHich source seems more credible to you?

"You seem perturbed that somebody chose to demonstrate one of the constitutionally protected rights that Charlie Kirk worked so diligently to protect? I don't agree with screaming hate at a vigil. But, Charlie supported free speech for all didn't he?"

Its telling that you cant just say that person was a piece of sheit for doing that at a vigil for a man who was just assasinated. Fcuk me it shouldn’t need to be said but you go and defend it.

"I am outlining the research into how Social Media algorithms push extreme content onto users who begin with relatively benign searches."

Are you saying that the algorithm is responsible for Charlie Kirks death? You are framing the problem as Christian Nationalism, I doubt that Christian Nationalist ideals killed Charlie Kirk. But we will see in due course. If Christian Nationalism hasn’t caused it and he was imbued with left wing ideology from the algorithm (radicalised online) will you say it was the Left wing Ideolgy that caused the assassination??

"As for Christian Nationalism and it's danger to the States in particular as a driver of right wing militia activity has long been recognised as the biggest home grown threat in USA.It has been recognised as the biggest home grown threat to US security across years of FBI threat assessments and academic analysis. "

This entire paragraph is built on the premise that Christian Nationalism and white supremacy are one and the same. How many of the millions of Christian Nationlists have extremist views? How are you defining Christian Nationalist??? How many act on their extremist views? Does the Academic analysis say causation or correlation, because if Christian Nationalism is the causation of white supremacy/terroirst attacks then there must be a hell of a lot of white supremacists in the USA 3 in 10 according to the NPRR website. That’s about 105 million Americans, only around 88 million voted in the presidential election.

"Why would you ignore the Mormon background of the shooter? That environment shaped him far more than a semester at a Deep Red college."

I haven’t dismissed his background wasn’t his father a Mormon didn’t he bring him into the authorities? Does that sound like a man with extremist ideology the family by their actions in the aftermath don’t strike me as extremists.

"In the immediate aftermath of Kirk's shooting. Trump blamed the Left, Nancy Mace blamed pro-tranny shooter and called for the death penalty.When GOP leadership became aware of shooter's family and the immediate 1st look at possible motives?Mace went to asking for prayer, Trump made an effort at both sidesing and every single commentator that was loudly blaming the left and advocating widespread action.Went quiet.

Why?This murder, if carried out by the flavour of left wing lunatic that was originally claimed?Is manna from heaven for the Trump, the GOP and any effort to suppress protest and further secure control.Yet?Those claims stopped, immediately upon arrest.It wasn't to prevent influence as to being fair to Trump, he repeated his Death penalty call but he has stopped with his claims this was an action of the radical left.Why do you think he's done that?"

You are asking can I tell the inner workings of a man like Donald Trump – He was asked in a clip online how he felt after the Kirk assassination and said (paraphrasing)yeah ok look at where we are building the new ballroom (at the white house). God Knows what is going on over there, what you say is absolutely a possibility. I guess all will be revealed in due course.

They have produced very little evidence about the suspect's political beliefs. So far it's all mere conjecture and hearsay - strange that they have found virtually nothing from him online that links him to left wing groups or ideology.

The Governor of Utah, Cox, has been a bit all over the shop, and the only actual quote from any of the family I have seen is from Robinson`s grandmother who said her son, Tyler`s father, was "a Republican for Trump" which to me at least sounds very much a MAGA member.

She also said she didn`t know a single one of the family that was a Democrat, and if the Governor is referring to Robinson`s school friend who said Robinson was a "leftie", he withdrew that claim.

No a crime of passion is basically when someone responds in a rage to some kind of circumstance that could cause a reasonable person to lose self control, such as if you saw your partner in bed with someone else and rage took over and you were out of control and killed them. It's not just a murder that might have been motivated by your love for someone.