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Charlie Kirk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭lmao10


    I can only imagine how weird these relationships are behind closed doors. Trump and Melania for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 364 ✭✭Rmgblue


    Is the world any better? Show me.

    Don’t share any of Kirk’s opinions but I am absolutely pro free speech



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    That’s great. I don’t think he was killed for free speech though…so that’d kinda weird



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,056 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its all very confusing.

    Her words sound like they are meant to be a threat to those not like her and her husband I.e. lefties, but was the shooter not from her ilk? From what im reading he was from a right wing conservative family?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,599 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    What i find even more interesting is the prayer. No true man of faith would pray for anything that is not benevolent. To imagine that your god would be receptive to such a prayer is telling. He has no idea what Christianity is. I am not even religious but this is obvious to me. Firstly as a child you learn to give without the expectation of receiving, so such specific prayers are pointless and also you believe in "God's plan" which is beyond your comprehension and not necessarily in line with what you personally want. Which leaves one with mere benevolent prayers for the benefit of others without any expectation of influence. So WTAF is this clown on about with his prayers? These people are demented.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 672 ✭✭✭Marcos


    Keep telling yourself that. Reports say different. The bullet casings found with the rifle had inscriptions which included "hey fascist! CATCH!" and "O Bella ciao, Bella ciao" as if they were Italian partisans in 1943. He's also described talking about Kirk stating that "Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate."

    If anything that seems more redolent of the mood of some on here.*

    But hey, if you keep repeating a lie enough times some people will begin to believe it.

    *Not that I'm stating that anyone on here has espoused killing anyone because they don't agree with them.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There's a prevalence of people in every religion who seek to use the religion as a carte blanche justification for them to inflict their world view on their fellow members, neighbour's and society.

    Whether Christian, Judaism, Islam, in all instances those most vocal about adherence to "their" definition of religious subservience are radical onservative fundamentalists in nature and are only using the cloak of religion as a means to claim superiority in philosophy over their opponents.

    Someone asked on here why don't people live and let live. That mindset is alien to those who use religion to threaten rather than to console.

    The truly religious people, those who are thoughtful, compassionate, loving and supportive, and there are billions if them worldwide, of all affiliations, they aren't the ones looking for a camera and a microphone when they speak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭the whole year inn


    Dont care I have no skin in the game , I have no affect what he does in any way so I dont get worked up by what happens.

    On him I agree with some things he does and disagree with others , would I have voted for him probably.

    Joe was well past it and Harris was a total disaster. If Michele Oboma stepped up prob be a different story.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,505 ✭✭✭Be right back


    I don't like how there's footage online of him in his coffin. I'm sure his wife sanctioned it but I think his death was so public, let him have privacy now...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    That might have been to throw the police off the scent though.

    In the Melissa Hortman case, there were signs of this too. The car had "No Kings" placards, but he also had a list of Democrats and abortion clinics he wanted to target.

    Authorities discovered a manifesto and a "No Kings" placard in Boelter's vehicle, which might have suggested anti-authoritarian or anarchist sympathies. However, further investigation revealed that he had a target list of over 70 individuals, including Democratic lawmakers and abortion rights advocates, indicating a politically motivated attack. Boelter's actions and the materials found contradicted any claims of confusion regarding his intentions.

    Minnesota assassination suspect Vance Boelter allegedly had dozens of Democrats on a list - ABC News

    MN lawmaker shootings: Vance Boelter listed pro-choice supporters; No Kings papers found in fake police car | FOX 9 Minneapolis-St. Paul



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    It wasn't that inaccurate a lie.

    "In 2024, reacting to a video from YouTuber Ms. Rachel, in which she talks about the importance of "love thy neighbor" in the Bible, Kirk paraphrased a passage from Leviticus that advocates for stoning gay people, calling it "God's perfect law when it comes to sexual matters."

    "By the way, Ms. Rachel, you might wanna crack open that Bible of yours," he said to camera. "In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture is…in Leviticus 18 is that, 'thou shall lay with another man, shall be stoned to death.' Just sayin'."

    .yahoo.news



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,583 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    **** hell. What a deranged individual he was. Those viewpoints won't be missed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,033 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Jesse Waters of Fox News says "they are at war with us".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,625 ✭✭✭ilkhanid


    If there is any valid comparison to MLK, it should be JFK, another serial adulterer, although considering the power differential between a president and, say, a lowly aide, secretary or staffer the comparison is not in Kennedy's favour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,583 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Kirk was supposedly a great friend when he thought he could use his death to further his own agenda, but as soon as he saw that the killer was from the gene pool of his own supporters he has no further use for him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭crusd


    Reports were the he was full of hate for Kirk, not that he said Kirk was full of hate. Some reports seem to have taken the family comments and pushed them in another direction. And the messages on the casing were meme and gaming related potentially indicating that far from being ideological he was trying to plant a message and grabbed something he saw somewhere. We won’t know for sure for a while what motivated him, if ever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    everyone has camera phones some of the students had their own cameras and live streams going. It’s true stuff is edited but there isn’t a whole lot online showing the students getting the better of him.

    And If they were

    Hear me out

    It would be absolutely viral because of how disliked he was by most.


    Secondly- give me a break about them being students they’re intelligent young adults probably smarter than most here. It’s fair game and he opened the mic to let them speak and to let them share their points. There’s clips of him being agreeable in some of the cases. Calling it bullying is looking for a reason to make him look bad they are adults he never physically harmed anyone he simply outclassed them on the mic and yes likely because he’s far more experience on the mic but that doesn’t mean they didn’t know exactly what they were getting involved in when they stood up to argue their point. Stop trying to change the narrative to suit your point and make him look bad and let him rest in peace and his family grieve.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Noticing a drastic backoff even in this thread around outright blaming it on the left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 296 ✭✭Toranaga


    Actually I'd say a lot here would have a university degree. Not that I would regard myself to be smarter than anyone because of that but if their attendance at University is a sign of being smarter then I would speculate that it would probably give them a one up on the other side statistically.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The judge said that it can legitimately be referred to as a rape cause it classified as such in multiple productions. At minimum it's a sexual assault btw.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,525 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    "It's not rape, it's just sexual assault" has to be, without doubt, one of the dumbest positions I think anyone could take up.

    🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,579 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Yes said as much earlier, it makes no sense for Robinson to give an honest motive on the bullets/gun he knew was going to be found. He wanted the 'left' to be blamed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭the whole year inn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,303 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Another piece of counter evidence to the claims that the Left are the stokers of violence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭Bigmac1euro


    Fair point. But he wasn’t going around trying to find people with a low IQ to argue against. He went to universities. It’s not kids he’s arguing with it’s young adults that aren’t stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭the whole year inn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,387 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    He’s right though.

    “Hey, fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓” is from Helldivers 2, Bella Ciao from Hearts of Iron,  "Notices bulge / OWO what’s this?" is a furry meme,  "If you read this, you are gay lmao,“ is self explanatory.


    It’s all 4chan meme shitposting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Except he didn't say most of those things, they're political points deliberately and entirely twisted to give new and completely incorrect meaning.

    For example, Charlie Kirk never said gay people should be stoned, or anything like it. On the contrary, he debated many gay people during his events in a normal respectful way.

    What he actually did in this case, was point out that the bible says gay people should be stoned, in response to someone telling him that the bible says "love thy neighbor".

    But of course to some people that means "Charlie Kirk thinks gay people should be stoned".

    Charlie Kirk himself, when asked to throw down by an audience member, said that's exactly what's wrong with America, when some people are incapable of rational debate and discussion, some of those same people want violence and weapons to fill the gap, and it accomplishes nothing.

    Similarly, when some people are incapable of engaging in good faith discussion, they have to resort to tactics like twisting words, personal attacks, moving the goalposts, etc.

    "I love women" "So…you're saying you hate men"? That's the playbook for many people on both sides of any debate simply because they're not able to do it any other way.

    Some people are incapable of discussing Charlie Kirk's opinions and beliefs - which he debated in public constantly in a very open fashion - so instead they have to make him a boogey man he never was.

    He hates black people! He hates gay people! He hates minorities! He hates women! He did nothing but spread hate!

    None of these things are actually true, regardless of whether you liked him, hated him, agreed with him, disagreed with him.

    But that's not convenient for people who hate him simply because he represents beliefs they do not subscribe to.

    I didn't agree with Charlie Kirk on a lot of things. Probably most things when it comes to bigger topic issues actually. But to see the ridiculous level of smearing about him based on nothing but Chinese whispers and fantasies is disappointing.

    But I guess that's the internet these days. It's less about proper discussion and more about echo chambers, and everything being apparently black and white with no give in between.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,278 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Even the useful idiots realise they cannot sustain the lie



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