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Charlie Kirk.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭mvt


    As much as I think The Wire is a modern day masterpiece I would use my own critical facilities to question this.

    If you want to go to Harvard you have to come up with the cash,a fairly huge amount unless you get a grant which straight away negates the point you, the poster are trying to make.

    If you going to be executed in a state that has the death penalty you will be housed in a prison that is there whether you will be excuted or not, same for the staff & indeed for the execution facilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    The guy they arrested 'we got him' seems like an 'all American boy' with some 'un-American' views.

    The FBI and local police seem to be putting his capture down to their great police work when it seems it was more down to CCTV and his acquaintances and family turning him in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,587 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    So, in short, you made a claim that people have been saying he deserved to die but you have absolutely no examples to back it up.

    Thought so!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭briangriffin


    Charlie Kirk was assassinated in front of his wife and 2 children apparently when he fell his daughter began running to him. I'm sure you've seen the videos of the assassination. The progressive empathetic left are so tolerant, honourable, and kind. He was killed because someone disagreed with many of the things he said - he deserved assassination in the eyes of many posters here for his opinions its karma, sorting him out or what he deserves.

    So called progressives the people of tolerance and compassion. So much so that the progressive haven that is blue-sky has had to start issue warnings to people celebrating the death of Kirk on their platform.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,180 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    The killing of Charlie Kirk is tragic in the sense that it seems to signal a blow against the idea of a democratic and civil debate of ideas leading to well informed voters making decisions about policy. You can abhor all of Kirk's ideas and views, but he was the poster boy for talking with people with different views. He was killed while inviting people to argue with him about his own views. His targeting and killing is a direct attack on the idea of talking with people with different views, which is a foundation of democracy. That so many people react with, "I don't agree with violence against political opponents, but…" or implying that Kirk's murder is ironic because of views he expressed underlines that for me. More and more, people who want to express their opinions on issues publicly will need police protection or to stay silent. Democracy suffers, either way.

    The other thing that seems apparent is the US is such a nihilistic society at this point that it's perfectly possible for Kirk to have been targeted by any one of a mass of people with conflicting views - that Kirk was an extremist, that he wasn't extremist enough or that the shooter just wants to be famous for 15 minutes. The guy they have in custody could tick the box for any of the above.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Seems more a case of former right wing raised mormon nut goes to college and becomes left wing nut



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭WesternZulu


    Did

    Bit much criticising the left on lack of empathy when Kirk didn’t believe in the very concept of empathy himself.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 54,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    there's a shedload of a fog of war going on with claims about the shooter's alliances; but nick fuentes (far right political pundit) released this tweet, and one would have to ask why (there are whispers that the shooter was a follower of his).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭Toranaga


    The indoctrination must work quickly there if all it took was one semester to turn him into the modern day Oswald.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    Thanks for the respectful invitation to reply. There's a lot to unpack there and I'll be as respectful and as brief as I can in return.

    I didn't see the video - I don't really need to.

    He was killed, as we are learning now, by an even more radical extremist influence. Ostensibly and as I understand it, the main ideological difference is that Kirk and Turning Point were pro-Zionists and Robinson like others of his ilk are committed anti-Semites. There's a lot more on that sort of thing here:

    764 - ISD

    So the 'left' component in this narrative is redundant. There is no left to speak of in the US anyway, MAGA simply uses it as a broad brush smear to any agent or institution it feels threatened by. As for other posters on Bluesky, reddit or wherever 'celebrating' Kirk's death, that might well be mistaken for a giant two fingered reply to Trump sympathisers for the initial hysterical knee-jerk reaction to the shooting.

    In all my posts above I never once stated that he got what he deserved. I only ever pointed out that the violence he wished on others was levied back on him. He knew what he was doing and was well paid for it, so my sympathies are just not there for him. For example, Kirk was pro-Genocide in Gaza and daily, those pictures of starving innocents breaks my heart. If you have room in your heart for sympathy for Kirk alongside the Palestinians and many, many others, then you are a bigger man than I am.

    The last point I want to make is about 'Opinions'. We are being told he was murdered for having opinions that you might disagree with. Kirk's words had influence and power. He legitimised and sanitised all kinds of wrong which has been discussed elsewhere on the thread. He made it OK to hate others. And if he was faced with a Gazan child, or a woman who is refused a pregnancy termination, or a Mexican deportee he would likely say that he's just expressing his opinion and the fact of that person's suffering has nothing to do with him. That their suffering is abstract in some way. I hate that level of hypocrisy in anyone no matter what their politics, status or whatever because it's essentially psychopathic.

    So you can grieve his death all you wish and I will certainly leave you to that, but please don't expect me to do likewise.

    Peace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,462 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    So? What does that have to do with anything? He was Antifa He was a leftist he thought Charlie was a fascist as do a lot of posters on here and posted the same minutes after he was shot. Care to comment on that?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,756 ✭✭✭kingtiger


    Hey,

    with all this virtue signaling why don't you take a couple of Palestinian refugee families into your house? or donate some of your salary to Mexican illegal immigrants to fund their legal defense from deportation.

    Mod Edit: Warned for baiting

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,467 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Expressing an opinion you dont like is not virtue signaling. Wanting innocent people not to be killed is pretty normal. It doesn't require housing the people after to be considered a normal response.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    It's quite obvious from your posts on Ukraine that you lack any sense of irony whatsoever.

    Kirk is using his democratic freedoms to close down the rights of his fellow citizens. He is no more a democrat than a Sunday morning fart. He has no more interest in promoting and maintaining democracy than you do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭scottser


    Or what would be better, is if Palestinians could receive the food aid that the Israel keep blocking or that the Mexican can go back to his family and the job he's worked at for the last 20 years.

    Virtue signalling. What a fuckwit.

    Mod Edit: Warned for personal abuse

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Gun laws won't stop all assassination attempts, but gun rights do make assassination attempts significantly easier to execute. It also makes mass shootings significantly easier to execute.

    I don't like Chay Bowes. The man is human excrement. Chay now lives in Russia working as a propagandist for the Kremlin, but sometimes, he comes home to Ireland. If I wanted to assassinate Chay, I would not know where to begin to acquire a bolt action rifle, or any kind of firearm, as I have no criminal connections.

    In America, you can simply buy bolt action rifle from a shop. If guns were banned in America, the assassin would face the difficulties I would face trying to acquire a rifle.

    I never mentioned anything about mental health.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭lmao10




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    Holding a gun doesn't give you the right to assassinate someone. You really need to reconsider your moral viewpoint if you think killing someone over their views is acceptable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Starry: Charlie Kirk should not have been shot for what he spoke about. Free speech needs to be protected. There should be the same latitude of free speech on the left as on the right.

    Incitement and battle cries strain the limits of acceptable free speech.

    The Guardian Editorial / Opinion Charlie Kirk shooting

    ‘The Guardian view on the killing of Charlie Kirk: a perilous moment that may lead to more’


    ‘The shooting of the Turning Point USA co-founder should not be used to foment further division in a polarised country’

    Fri 12 Sep 2025

    "Demonising those with whom you disagree” is indeed dangerous, but Mr Trump himself has normalised vicious attacks on opponents. The tolerance of violent action – as with Mr Trump’s blanket pardons for the January 6 rioters – sends a message too. The roots of violent acts are complex, but an environment conducive to political attacks may channel the propensities of potential perpetrators. Robert Pape, director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats, has warned that US politics may be on the brink “of an extremely violent era … The more public support there is for political violence, the more common it is.” The US addiction to guns drastically increases the impact.

    Starry: Mr Trump's blanket pardons for the January 6 [murderous] rioters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭StarryPlough01


    Standard60,

    Minutes before the shooting, Hunter Kozak, a mathematics student at Utah Valley University, approached the microphone to challenge Charlie Kirk on the trans shooter stats:

    “As Kozak had explained in a recent video on his TikTok channel, his statistical analysis shows that the opposite is true, and he was in the middle of explaining to Kirk that just five of the 6,000 mass shootings in the past decade have been carried out by transgender people when the gunman opened fire.

    Source:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-shooter-suspect-latest-news-updates-donald-trump-utah



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    the shooter was a registered voter and not aligned to any political party... don't let facts get in the way of your little rant though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,512 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    He comes from Utah which went to Trump by ~22 points in 2024. More specifically Washington County which went to Trump by over 52 points in 2024.

    So he comes from deeply red conservative state (anyone that's been to Utah will attest to this) and and even more deeply conservative area of Utah where 4 in every 5 people around him voted Trump.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 280 ✭✭GHendrix


    The reaction to this guys murder is horrible. I don’t agree with the majority of things that he said but he also never forced me to listen or agree. I always had the option to not watch, not listen and have my own beliefs.

    Baffling and tragic that someone felt the need to shoot him dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭ledwithhedwith


    The world is a better place without him. Doesn't mean he deserved to die, but live by gun die by the gun.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,907 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    So he was raised a certain way, doesn't mean he is still a certain way. Tell me you dont know anything about America, or more specifically Mormons, without telling me you don't know anything about America



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,680 ✭✭✭francois


    Mother scrubbed her Facebook posts, the family are gun nuts, he dressed one Halloween as a groyper meme.

    But apparently college professors are the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    The mental gymnastics of trying to paint this guy as a left wing nut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,758 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    From one semester at Utah State University too. Those lefty professors must have really worked their lefty magic on him hard.

    Of course, everything that's actually known about him points to becoming too deep in extremist Internet culture relating to the likes of Nick Fuentes and 'groypers'. But no, conservatives jumped to blaming "the left" and now they can't back down from it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,333 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Rip Charlie Kirk, and if some posts on here are anything to go by, rip free speech and differing viewpoints.

    I can't believe some of cold and horrible responses I've witnessed to a man's cold blooded death. We truly live in surreal times.



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