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Northern Ireland 2125?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    As things stand here in the Republic, in recent allocations of Irish government sports funding, the GAA has received substantially more than soccer. Possibly deservidedly so if it has more participants, I do not know. From google for example, and I quote " from the €230 million Sports Capital Grant announced in September 2024, the GAA received approximately €97 million, while soccer clubs received over €41 million. This trend of higher funding for Gaelic Games compared to soccer in Ireland is consistent across other funding announcements and analyses of government grants." 

    One think for sure as FrancieBrady hinted at, in a UI there would be no funding for a N.I. soccer team as there is no funding now for a Munster soccer team. Just as the Irish government has committed €50 million to the Casement Park redevelopment project, and none to other sports / or clubs up North, so you can bet in a U.I. that any N.I. soccer team, if it was allowed exist, would be well towards the end of the queue for any funding I'd say.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    what are you saying? Are you saying?

    1. there will be less money for sport in a UI

    2. Ni fans are going to stop supporting their team?

    Strange



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    would it be behind the ROI team for funding? And if so, why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    I think that funding two organisations to the same levels as they are used to is just going to be impossible. Both organisations will suffer.

    If they cannot support the team from grassroots up, then the team will suffer, sooner or later.
    I get it downcow, you have a core of support who love their team, but that core will start to disappear if there is no success or worse still, no 'hope' of success.

    That is a truism of sport everywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    FrancieBrady has defended the decision of Derry councillors not to allow citizens have access to an army careers stand at a jobs fair in Derry, even though the army / UK military is a major state employer and offers many careers, training programmes etc. He says "What happened in Derry council is 'equality' and absolutely democratic. Everyone around that table was 'equal' and voted democratically." So no equality for the minority in Derry or the surrounding areas. If there was a U.I. you can be sure the minority would be voted down in a similar fashion, and would be at the end of the queue for handouts. Even when the Irish government should be trying to woo northerners of all persuasions you would have thought, and with all our American multinational tax windfall money ( 12 billion from Apple alone?) we see them offering €50 million to Casement park and how much to soccer in N.I.?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    😁😁 The Irish government offer to fund the building of a stadium so that NI's soccer fans can enjoy a world ranking tournament and there is something wrong.

    Gas!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Then why give the money to the GAA to build it in its present location, because we can see how many soccer games are currently played in GAA parks?

    You would nearly tell the unionists you are doing them a favour by putting up Irish language signs for them in their areas, and by not allowing them to have access to a major state employer who proposed having a stand at the jobs fair in Derry.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭csirl


    If the IFA wants State funding post unification it will have to apply to Sport Ireland in the usual way. However, its unlikely to meet the critera.

    Sport Ireland funds the Internationally recognised Natiional Governing Bodies of Sport. IFA will not be one post unification.

    That doesnt mean the IFA cant receive State funds. But those funds will be channelled through the FAI. Post unification the IFA will be a regional football association which will need to join the FAI to be funded.

    The 2 national teams issue is not a State funding eligibility issue. If FIFA were to allow, the FAI could opt to field both Ireland and Northern Ireland teams (in reality the chances of this being allowed by FIFA is slim).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Obviously under researched again.

    The stadium was required to be built as part of a worked out plan so that NI (that included the IFA and GAA working together) could host a world ranking tournament.

    Because some Unionists would rather cut off their nose than have anything to do with the GAA/the Irish they resisted, time ran out and the tournament will not now be played in NI.

    Tragically sad for all real soccer fans and moderate Unionists willing to work with the GAA, the Irish government etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    No point in the Irish government spending 50 million for one or two games. That was not the purpose of Casement park anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well the IFA thought that hosting the competition was worth it.

    I feel most sorry for the young soccer fans, missing out on the buzz of a major tournament. They'll have to travel to Dublin or the Britain for that now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Crocodile tears.

    I have some good friends who think nothing of flying to Glasgow and back in the same day on a cheap flight for a Celtic match, and it does not cost the government 50 or 100 million for the match either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well if there is 'friends' to be found to prove a dodgy point, you are the master at finding them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Point is, people do fly over and back to Scotland and England the whole time for matches and think nothing of it. It does not cost the taxpayer 50 million for a match or two.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Well maybe take the cost of building stadia up with those who set building standards and have specifications for stadia in tournaments.

    Infrastructure costs money sadly



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,424 ✭✭✭✭downcow


    nonsense again. Watch the bbc documentary from last week about ni football team. The period the atmosphere boomed and numbers increased was during the famous 2 years without scoring a goal. We do not have fair-weather support



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    What's nonsense?

    That fans will dwindle away from poor under-resourced teams?

    That's true since the beginning of spectator sport.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭csirl


    I dont think International soccer will be a big deal in 2125. Professional club football will dominate by then and the big name pro clubs wont be releasing players (they'll dominate the sport by then and make the rules). International football will be an afterthough with players from the semi pro and amateur ranks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,736 ✭✭✭Francis McM


    Is that as good as Gerry Adams prediction about 25 years ago that we'd have a united Ireland by 2016? lol.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭csirl


    Isnt that the point of this thread? We're all speculating.

    There's so much change going to happen over a 100 year timeframe that while we cant confidently say what will happen in International soccer or anything else, we do know that things will be very different to today. Sometimes people fprget this and get hung up on things that might not even exist by then!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Pressure on the international game is already being felt, so you could be right. Alternately it could all be played via robots and AI.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,971 ✭✭✭csirl


    Good point. Could all be virtual. H&S gone mad to the extent that we cant have humans play because they might get injured!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    You have told us for over a decade that no tax increases would be needed because existing Northern Ireland taxes would pay for existing Northern Ireland services. Now you are saying that in a united Ireland, there wouldn't be enough taxes to pay for an existing subvention to the IFA.

    Your arguments are falling apart every single day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You have told us for over a decade that no tax increases 

    I haven't.

    I have said: there may be tax increases for a period but your scary billions and billions was just that because it is actually that is scared of unification.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    In a whole decade the only cut to services that you have predicted is the cut to the IFA.

    Pretty plain to interpret that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There'll be cuts too if you have two health services or two of anything when one is more streamlined and is not doubling up on infrastructure and admin,

    Not sustainable in a small population.

    It will be one of the talking points for your federal fantasy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    There will be discussions and agreements over federal powers and those of the federations. That is normal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yes and there will, like in a UI, have to be rationalisations.
    As Peregrinus rightly says, the governments won't go near the two football associations.

    Rationalisation in them will happen when the available funding has to be split between two associations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Shotgun mergers don't work.

    Taking away funding from the IFA will be seen as a discriminatory action towards the minority Northern Irish population. They will keep Stormont and they will keep the IFA.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,226 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nobody will be 'taking anything away'.

    There will be x amount of money and it will be split between the two.

    Both associations will be losing out before you go on a 'sectarian' rant.



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