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M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    I just wanted to see how quickly you would respond, impressive



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Ah so you're admitting to trolling the thread?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Admit to what you can't deny and deny what can't be proved. I would never do that. You could lodge and objection to me by pressing the button.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭Don Juan II


    Are we looking at another public consultation?


    "The national planning board has written to Galway County Council to inform them that they must open the project up to further public consultation because significant information was not previously made available for public comment."

    I wonder what the "significant information" is and if this information was perviously availble, why didn't ABP catch this first time?

    https://irishcycle.com/2025/06/09/an-bord-pleanala-orders-opening-of-galway-ring-road-plan-to-new-public-input-as-additional-information-provided-by-council-is-significant/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Presume its the NEW 'significant information' that the Council have ONLY recently submitted to ABP this year?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    What length of time does that add to the application process.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Same thing happened in the Metrolink project, with ABP recently, with ABP ordering a new public consultation site to the amount of new information released during the oral hearings.

    The cases are not directly comparable though, as Metrolink had to deal with a new problem that only arose during the oral hearings, so they had to run an investigation into it before they could do the consultation.

    For Metrolink, the oral hearings finished at the end of March, with the second consultation ordered soon after. That consultation launched in August of that year, with final responses from TII lodged at the end of January.

    Looking through the number of docs that landed during the oral hearings, and the nature of the issues that arose, I could clearly see the need for a second consultation. Having looked through the docs that recently came out for the M6, I couldn't tell you why they're looking for a second consultation. There was nothing in the docs that was significantly different from the original consultation.

    The only thing that I could perhaps believe, would be that they're pulling in the recent traffic projections that made the news. It wasn't a submission to the M6 project, but ABP may be taking a belt and braces to it, and saying that this is new, relevant information that people should have a say on.

    Anyway, this is probably adding at least 6 months to a year into the project, depending on what needs to happen. 6 months if it's a straight consultation, a year if there's any report or investigation needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    I thought the same: I don't see the need for the added consultation here, but that maybe ABP are covering themselves from any possible accusation that they didn't follow due process.

    Also I thought maybe they want others to do their dirty work for them, by putting forward those numbers arguments we've discussed at length on here.

    And also I wondered if they wanted to use the public consultation forum to allow the project team to respond to those arguments: "we have taken all of the numbers into account and the proposed option is the best that can be done" etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    The problem with an extra public consultation is not just the extra time involved. Every extra public consultation brings further issues to the surface and generally leads to increased controversy and often legal challenges.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Ah, I'd have to disagree with you on that. Public consultations may bring further issues to light, but isn't that the point? The planning process isn't meant to be just a rubber stamp, it's might to find issues so that they can be resolved.

    In fact, a lack of consultation can be a reason for a legal challenge, so you can argue that this is a good thing for the project overall, or at least it would be if the thing being consulted upon had all it's ducks in a row. For example, I fully expect Metrolink to get approval, and for any JR against it to fail, mainly due to the solid work that TII and the NTA have put into it. I don't have the same belief around the M6 at all, with major issues being glossed over.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Covered in the local paper this weekend

    https://connachttribune.ie/galway-city-ring-road-could-face-new-public-hearing/

    Would expect an Oral Hearing after reading this line

    "

    Galway County Council had previously stated that such a move was expected, with Director of Services Uinsinn Finn outlining to councillors at the April plenary meeting that they were prepared for another public consultation on the project.

    We would fully expect to put it for public consultation because the information is significant. Submissions will be made and it will be up to the Board if they feel there is a need for an oral hearing,” said Mr Finn at the time.

    "



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    To compare with the Metrolink again, with the same caveat that it's not directly comparable, they didn't have a second Oral Hearing for that, and I think that the "significant information" was much larger there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Any update on this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭gilly1910


    I cannot find anything, last I heard there was talk of yet another public consultation, so lets be honest even if this plagued, god foresaken road ever gets the go ahead, it will be well into the next decade at least before we ever see any of this ring road. Personally I don't think it will ever be built, and Galway City Council should hang their heads in shame for doing absolutely nothing for the last 30 - 40 years, and sitting idly by while people waste hours of their precious time every day sitting in traffic.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    The latest round of consultations were meant to be in July, but there doesn't seem to be anything yet at all.

    Conversely, there's a couple of new housing estates that have been rejected by Galway City Council as being too close to the path of the motorway, while ACP has seen fit to overturn that rejection and approve them with no real nod to the ring road at all. Whether that's ACP not knowing what they're doing (i.e they couldn't give a hoot about proper planning), or it's ACP knowing exactly what they're doing (i.e they already know that they're going to reject the ring road), they're giving off some very funny signals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    Ya have to blame both Councils. Galway County are equally if not actually more at fault than the City for getting us into this Car Traffic mess that the City and County find itself in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Nobody is looking for votes at the moment so there's no urgency at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    it will be well into the next decade at least before we ever see any of this ring road. Personally I don't think it will ever be built, and Galway City Council should hang their heads in shame for doing absolutely nothing for the last 30 - 40 years

    Some of us have been saying this for more than 5 years.

    Even with prompt planning approval and government funding, absolute best case was the ring road opening some time post 2030. That means that nothing else happens for more than a decade. The more realistic scenario of course was still running around in planning and legal circles for the rest of the 20s, meaning nothing else happens for more than a decade and you start from 0 having lost a decade. This was all entirely predictable and should not be a surprise to anyone.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Whilst politicians can and have spoken of how this should to get going, etc. there is absolutely nothing that any standing or prospective politician can do to get this started, and thankfully so!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    If it became a massive political issue it would certainly. I haven't heard of any protests or marches. It's a non issue really in the grand scheme of things.

    There's no real will from people to push for it, so it'll rumble on quietly for another few decades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭gilly1910


    Which I do not understand, we really are a very subservient lot in this country, or maybe more so in the West. Galway City has been destroyed for decades with traffic, people wasting away precious hours of their time every day sitting in their cars, and yet it's a non-issue for people. I don't get it, and never will.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    How exactly could it being a political issue expedite it past the planning stages?

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,539 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It is obviously a non-issue for the two councils who approve housing that ensures people require cars to travel and at the same time their policies actively prevent proper public transport and active travel.
    Even this road project, which the councils have said will make traffic worse, will effectively block public transport and active transport improvements until after the road is completed so you may as well get used to sitting in your car every day. 🙄

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 352 ✭✭gilly1910


    Honestly I don't think the council have a clue, they probably know that this road will never be built, so they are trying to cover themselves by stating it will only make things worse, which I find very hard to believe. Much and all as I love Galway, I now live in Dublin, so I only have to put up with the lovely Galway traffic once a month when I venture home for the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,574 ✭✭✭xckjoo


    They aren't stating it'll make things worse, they're trying to pretend it won't. It's the engineering reports that show it'll make things worse. Have no doubt that the Council are fully committed to getting this plan through, no matter how bad it's shown to be



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭Poster King


    Having long had intentions to move to Galway, I had promised myself I would not do it until a ring road was built. 2 years ago I gave in and moved anyway. I have taken a great interest in the ring road for many years. I have read many of the reports and comments on here. Now that I've lived in Galway for 2 years I can see with my own eyes the problems, and that the transport and traffic situation is strangling the city. For example there are many prime sites for building houses west of the Corrib, where people want to live, but access in and out is awful and will only get worse.
    Galway is a clear example of a city that absolutely needs improvement in road infrastructure, to get it to a basic functioning level. Anyone who thinks that Galway can thrive and grow without another bridge over the Corrib, is detached from reality. Then there needs to be huge investment in the bus network, maybe even trams, cycling infrastructure and even simple walking routes. It's not one or the other, both are badly needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Why is it road first, then public/active transport in your opinion? Just curious why the transport couldn't come first?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Anyone who thinks that Galway can thrive and grow without another bridge over the Corrib, is detached from reality.

    Another bridge is one thing but what they are trying to get planning for is not just a bridge. Spending €1bn while doing absolutely nothing for public/active transport is equally detached from reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,620 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    It absolutely should come first, 20 years ago!

    It seems the ring road is the only show in town. GCC are an absolute useless shower.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,457 ✭✭✭what_traffic


    The Council Executives were fearful it would "work too good" ?

    To be honest they have boxed themselves into a corner with all the bad planning decisions going back decades especially in the County area's near the City, and the NEW City area's on the outskirts developed in the last 30 years.

    It's no surprise that its the County Council leading on the GCRR.



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