Israel/Palestine Thread

Oh you have convinced me.... it's all a witchhunt,there is no starvation, no war crimes- the child in the car was setup by Hamas. Along with the Journalists, aid workers, nuns, etc

We are all- along with a myriad of different organisations- being duped by Hamas or complicit. Keep telling yourself that- anything but admit you are excusing a state committing a litany of War Crimes. You'll keep it up, but most people viewing can see through your apologist nonsense.

His spokesperson sort of criticized them but carefully. They’re not Democrats after all. Bibi has made him look weak here whatever the real discussions between them. As in any protection racket, if America can’t look after its friends any more they’ll look for somebody who will.

There are plenty of war crimes - name me a war that didn't have any.

There are war crimes and there are war crimes. There's a huge difference between the illegal murder of someone in the field, which often takes place in the heat of a battle, and a state sanctioned project to ethnically cleanse a large group of people out of their homeland by starvation, wanton slaughter and deliberate spoliation of civilian infrastructure, livestock and farmland.

But I'm shocked and deeply disappointed by just how antisemitic Ireland in general has turned out to be (and no, I'm not Jewish)

No you're not. You're just a common liar.

Perhaps the condemantion is just to save face with the Qataris. As you say whatever the truth is, Bibi has made Trump look weak and ineffectual, but Donnie will never admit it.

Really Shocked and disappointed eh! Well I'm not even certain what antisemitic means but if it means a hatred of those fukkers who are slaughtering Palestinians then I'm one and I don't care whether they're Jews,catholics, Islamic or any other type of religious horseshit nutjob. Israel by its actions, played out on your tv every night, is a nation now on a par with Nazi Germany and has destroyed the memory of it's own holocaust victims.

It is unusual. Off the top of my head I can’t think of a precedent in a war. As for hostage crises it reminds me of the Russian approach.

Trump is clearly lying. There has been a repeated pattern of the US pretending to engage in peace talks and then murdering the negotiators. There was the killing of Haniyeh in Tehran in 2024. The killing of the Iranian negotiators (which Trump gloated about) during the initial days of the attack on Iran earlier this year. The killing of the Yemen prime minister last week. In 2020 the Iranian general Soleimani was assassinated by a US drone strike while on a diplomatic mission in Iraq.

After the latest pretence, the Iranians at least seem to have gotten the message by banning the IAEA and refusing any further negotiations with the US. What would be the point?

There has been a disturbing coarsening of attitudes on the part of the US too - the standards of the US military seem to have progressively fallen to the levels of the IDF, as seen in the approving attitude to murder of civilians by Navy Seals, unpunished killings of Afghan civilians during the chaotic exit in 2021, the public gloating about the bombing of a gathering of Yemeni civilians earlier this year. We're in a weird world where the ROE of Navy Seals and Hamas look a lot alike.

Hamas remaining in power in Gaza is not a basis for peace negotiations.

Until they are willing to accept this, there can be no negotiations in good faith.

But Hamas pinkie promise never to do it again 😉

We know from our history that colonial powers dont get to decide who leaders of independent nations are. It didn't work for Britain, in India, Kenya and Ireland. Israel is a colonial power in the post 1967 territories .

I personally despise Hamas but I also despise Likud and the other rightwing Israeli parties. I dont see much difference between them when it comes to committing atrocities, except Israel is better armed and has killed 60 times more than Hamas. As far as I am concerned Likud and the settler parties are also terrorist organisations.

I wouldn’t want to be an Al Jazeera journalist anywhere in the world right now.

I am surprised how weak the middle East countries are.

Saudis, Egypt, Iran etc all just seem to accept anything Israel does at this stage.

While Israel clearly has US support, Trump wouldn't be willing to heavily involve the US on the ground or even the sky.

Well there won't be a Hamas (or similar) if Israel extirpates the Palestinians (!)

No man - no problem logic I suppose, all the rage with the big powers right up to middle of the previous century.

When you follow the news you do start to believe we are heading back into that world sadly, with the "Jewish state" ironically right in the vanguard leading the charge.