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Donald Trump the Megathread part II - Mod Warning updated in OP 12/2/26

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How can anyone be sure that the mid term elections will take place?

    Or that they will be open

    I have read of a few methods they could use to ensure "victory"

    Could ice raids at polling time and provoking civil unrest (with agent provocateurs if necessary) along with putting their own people into the electoral commissions be part of their plan?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,373 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    They can't. The Democrats are just as committed to the system as Republicans. Moreso in the age of the Trump GOP. Voters might not like the system but Democrats aren't going to jettison it when the status quo dictates that all they need to do is be better than the GOP though they can't even jump that lowest of bars.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    I think now that Trump's ICE trick has got people's backs up, if he tries anything around election time, it carries with it the risk that the result at vote centres and ballot count centres would put the Jan 6th Capitol event in the ha'penny place. Concerned citizens might take note of Trump's statement that he will "executive order" their mail-in votes rights vanish. Masked people showing up at voting centres and interfering with the average citizen ability to cast the vote might rue it.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Civil unrest would play into his hands though.

    I do think that all his messing is likely to drive up voter participation , but if GOP controlled States shutter polling stations all over the place and block mail-in voting alongside the already wildly gerrymandered districts it might not be enough..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    As for Trump's cabinet members, I'm interested to know who the other member of the cabinet or White House backroom person Scott Bessent got aggressive toward in the past week. It's not the first time that he's threatened to deck some-one there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,028 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    SCOTUS has yet again rolled over. They are allowing Trump to "temporarily" remove a Democrat member of the Federal Trade Commission.

    This undermines a 90 year old SCOTUS precedent Humphreys vs Executor, which ruled the President (back then FDR) didn't have an unfettered right to fire members of state agencies like the FTC. The context in the 1930s was FDR facing resistance from conservatives opposing the New Deal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,957 ✭✭✭✭briany


    At what point do we say the frog is dead, I wonder?

    If the Supreme Court overrules every other court in the USA, then Trump essentially does control the courts, along with Congress, and all the erstwhile independent governmental organisations are being staffed with loyalists. So, Trump is far, far closer to total power than is usually said, in my opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,354 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    They haven't really rolled over, though. If the Constitution and laws of the US state that the POTUS can pretty much do whatever he wants, then on what basis could they really say he can't fire people?

    Trump has always declared that he wanted to be a dictator, and has run the US as a dictator in his second term. And there seem to be very few actual ways to stop him.

    You would think that the Dems, and plenty of non-affiliated or even GOP-affiliated, would put in place the legal resources needed to fight these rulings such that SCOTUS can't possibly make such rulings as to be outside the constitution. The fact that they haven't would lead me to believe that while many may not like these interpretations, they are within the guidelines of the law



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,957 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Opinion and reading of the law must come into it, otherwise these matters wouldn't be going to courts in the first place.

    Technically speaking, you could give Trump a third term and say it abides by the US Constitution since the amendment usually limiting presidential terms mentions being elected to the office more than twice. There is a loophole that Trump could get a third term via becoming Speaker of the House and then having the sitting POTUS and VP resign. Or declaring some sort of emergency and trying some fúckery that way. Or just pulling a Musk and having a special advisory position created for himself, called 'The Real President of the United States'. None of these would technically violate the US constitution, it could be argued and assented to, but they would all very much break the spirit the laws laid out in that document.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,771 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Just astonishing that we are even considering this.

    I am sure that the Magathugs will find different points of attack if one way seems counterproductive.

    Of course it may be too dificult if the American electorate grows a backbone or a sense of morality but so far I don't see them seeing any downsides or risk of fafo.

    Power corrupts and they don't want to hand it back (or care about the democratic process beyond what it can do for them)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,405 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Neither.

    The fact that 51% of the jobs reported during the last year of the Biden administration never actually existed is far more worthy of reporting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,531 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


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    Well it's a good thing Bill Clinton isn't my cult leader!

    Saves me coming up with some spurious excuse or defence....

    Release the files!

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭Doc07


    Boring jobs stats /economics 😀…what do you have to say about the Epstein note from the Don?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,617 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    It looks like the Qatari bribe of a plane doesn't even save you from getting bombed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 996 ✭✭✭The Phantom Jipper


    The numbers that make Biden look bad are credible. The ones that make Trump look bad are fake.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Genuine question - But this seems to happen all the time.

    I've rarely seen info where they have revised these numbers upwards , from what I've read the number of responses to the survey that they use has been dropping for years or at least getting much slower so they constantly revise over and over as more data comes in.

    Is this the first time there has been a revision of this scale (in either direction) in one shot for a full year??

    Also , I don't think it's at all unreasonable to ask who created this report and when it was created given that it's coming out shortly after Trump fired the head of that Dept. without a shred of evidence for "making him look bad" and now we suddenly have a report that seems to support Trumps heretofore spurious claims of dodgy numbers..

    These are the risks of politising what should be a fairly colourless provision of data.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    HAH! Why is no one reporting on it…might it because the jobs numbers under Trump are tanking?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,415 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Indeed and as I said above , these revisions always seem to be down and not up , so does this not potentially foreshadow a much larger drop off under Trump?

    If his chosen lackey to run the Bureau of Labour Statistics remains independent of course



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Within a month of Sundays it would never happen but humans do surprise. I'm waiting for some person of high rank within the civil side of Government to be driving home or going around town by car or other method to meet some ICE Reps and come out the other side pissed off at what happened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,522 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    1500% of those jobs existed. Don't think so? Well then, put your sources up. Should be easy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Another Trump rig-the-vote case thrown out, this time as a Michigan judge dismissed criminal charges Tuesday against 15 Republicans accused of trying to falsely certify President Donald Trump as the winner of the 2020 election, saying that because they seriously believed him, there was no intent to commit fraud.

    Investigators said the group met at the Michigan GOP headquarters in December of 2020 and signed a document falsely stating they were the state’s “duly elected and qualified electors,” even though President-elect Joe Biden won Michigan by nearly 155,000 votes, a result confirmed by a GOP-led state Senate investigation in 2021.

    Prominent Michigan MAGA activist and former Michigan Republican Party Co-Chair Meshawn Maddock was one of the accused. Her attorney, Nicholas Somberg, told reporters after the hearing that the state attorney general’s office had engaged in a “malicious prosecution.” “There needs to be major consequences for the people who brought this,” he said.

    Judge Simmons said she saw no intent to commit fraud: Whether they were “right, wrong or indifferent,” they “seriously believed” there were problems with the election, the judge said. “I believe they were executing their constitutional right to seek redress.”

    The notion that doing what the president said is an excuse for what were clearly unlawful actions by a fake board of electors is then accepted by a sitting judge hearing the case against the accused as a genuine reason to throw out the charges case boggles the mind.

    What if the charges had been murder or riot done on the say-so of Trump, would Judge Simmons have gone the same route in deciding how she should rule on the case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Unfortunately it's the depths to which Trump, and those doing a lot of the thinking, script-writing and suggesting to him, that the U.S has been dragged down to. The number of "what'll we do" senior citizens in the U.S should be growing daily but it looks like they are closing the curtains instead hoping some-one else will do something about it. They all know what is afoot so it'll be their own fault when he comes knocking on the door "come vote for me or else". There's nothing the rest of the world can do for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,062 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    There is no loophole. There's the law and then there's a coup. Simple as.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 33,033 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    "51% of jobs reported never existed" is also not even close to accurate. The report polls all jobs, not new jobs - so when you drill it down to such a small subset it inevitably wildly increases the margin of error.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,329 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


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    How things have changed in the Oval Office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,745 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    While this is what we should be really talking about, @MisterAnarchy thinks Joe Biden, who isn’t president, is more important.

    The deflections are getting weaker.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,140 ✭✭✭spacecoyote


    Also, these revisions mysteriously get released after Trumps new pal is installed in the role.

    Looking at poor numbers under Trump...what can we do...issue "revised" Biden numbers and focus on that fact instead.

    Also, without getting extra conspiratorial, what are the chances of a push for poor numbers from the department until he gets the requisit rate cuts he wants, after which point they can publish whatever revisions they want and have the best of all worlds ahead of the mid-terms.

    Look everyone, rates are lower and the pay-rolls numbers are up, all thanks to the best president of all time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,038 ✭✭✭RickBlaine


    When asked about the birthday book this morning, Trump said "I don’t comment on something that’s a dead issue". This is coming from someone who comments on absolutely everything from Taylor Swift to windmills. Seems to me if he very concerned about this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Apple Dumpling


    I truly believe even if there is a video evidence of Trump raping children on Epstein’s Island MAGA would continue to support him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,595 ✭✭✭Economics101


    How seriously can we take BLS data now that they have been gutted? Maybe that includes the downward revisions which might seem to put Biden in a bad light?

    Maybe more than one side can play the Fake News mantra 😁



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