Israel/Palestine Thread

it will make zero difference to anyone in Gaza. It will hamper europes attempts to rearm, cause Gaza isn’t the only thing going on at the moment, in case you hadn’t noticed.

Thanks for answering. No one wants to see anyone slaughtered that's you just getting your customry dig in at ideology you oppose. It's akin to saying that because the Israeli left are also critical of the Israeli Government they are also fine with their fellow countrymen being slaughtered.

As per my last post, various Israeli ministers have called for the ethnic cleansing and destruction of Palestinians. We had Smotrich saying recently he planned to erase Palestinians identity. So clearly there is a movement to also destroy Palestinians within Israel regardless of whether Hamas are on the scene or not.

While Hamas might have the intent to do the same, they, unlike Israel, do not posssess the means to do so. If as you characterise it Israel wants peace why dont they call Hamas's bluff and commit to a two state solution, provided what remains of Hamas disband and toddle off to Qatar.

We know Bibi has been opposed to the idea of a two state solution all his political life and has thwarted the idea at every turn. I suspect Hamas made the offer knowing full well Bibi would never commit to a two state solution as a part of a peace deal. If you were capable of being objective, you'd acknowledge both are bad actors that deserve condemnation- instead you jump through hoops to defend what the current Israeli Government are doing.

Sadly Israel has allowed more killing of Israelis for their own political ends. October 7 2023 was allowed by Israel and now six people have died to allow Israel campaign to prevent the recognition of Palestine on 22 September. Israel maintains Palestine as a high-security prison. Armed Palestinians do not just slip out and attack a bus, they are allowed out so that Israel can use the resulting attack for political gain.

Remember when there was the attack on parked buses in February 2025. It disappeared off the media after a few hours as it was the IDF.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/terror-attack-rocks-israel-buses-explode

https://apnews.com/article/israel-bus-explosions-palestinians-gaza-4a13242cfd220ebdbedf1f0f0a389834

bad news for Israelis, 6 murders in Jerusalem

Good news for Netanyahu, exscuse to slaughter more Palestinians and Arabs

Declassified UK has found parliamentary footage from 1999 where Jeremy Corbyn correctly predicts how the law Starmer is using against Palestine Action could be used against anti war activists that engaged in criminal damage not to cause violence but to prevent it.

The UKG used the Palestine Action activists daubing Brize Norton airbase with red paint as justification for prescribing them as terrorists. This is now being used for mass arrest of largely elderly and some disabled PA protesters, including an 83 rear old woman who is an Anglican priest.

. At the time, Home Secretary Jack Straw denied that was the case.

Banksy posted this picture on Monday of his new artwork on the wall of the Royal Courts of Justice. It was covered up soon after. Photograph: Banksy/PA Wire

Great image.

Gaza and the West Bank. There were no Israeli settlers in the West Bank until after the 6 day war, which only began after Egypt announced it was going to close access to Eilat and mobilised the Egyptian army at the Israeli-Egyptian border.

IOW, if the Arab countries, and Palestinians specifically, stopped attacking Israelis, there would be no reason for the Israeli far right to settle in the West Bank.

What do you think about there being yet another terror attack on a bus stop today? "Condemning" is hardly enough for the Israeli government to do, is it?

And it's not as though those only began after October 2023, right? So why should Israel be expected to accept literally decades of regular terrorist attacks against its population? No Irish government could expect to win an election if, nearly 40 years after, they were still letting loyalists carry out repeated attacks like Dublin and Monaghan over and over, and just expecting people to put up with it. You'd clearly get a party that prioritised stopping the attacks, and that's what's happened in Israel.

Settling the West Bank and Gaza is illegal and was ruled illegal by the ICJ last year. So there's that reason.

I agree, and have said so before. That's wasn't my point.

But using your logic, the Palestinians are perfectly entitled to attack Israelis and settle Israel.

Nope.

Nowhere have I justified targeting civilians.

What do you thing about 6 Gazans dying of starvation today? And yesterday. And the day before. And the day before that? Seems you believe the Palestinians deserve it.

There's no such thing as deserving to die of starvation, but there is such a thing as the consequences of losing a war that your own government started. Did German civilians in Berlin deserve to be cold, hungry and close to starvation near the end of the war? Clearly not - but nobody said the Allies were responsible for feeding them BEFORE their government surrendered.

Moreover I haven't seen a single visibly starving Palestinian who didn't already have serious pre existing health conditions. Many of the photos are cropped to remove healthy family members from the picture. And even then, there are a LOT of seriously chubby-looking Gazans complaining about having no food.

But more importantly, they could stop the food insecurity tomorrow by releasing the hostages. Israel has promised $5 million and free passage to anyone who gives information leading to the release of the hostages, and not one person has done so.

Again, it's not victim blaming to point out that hostages were held by doctors, journalists and other "civilians" - not being an official militia member does not make everyone an innocent civilian caught in crossfire.

Until Gazans start denouncing Hamas, why wouldn't Hamas go on sacrificing Gazans? They seem willing to be sacrificed - all in hopes of destroying Israel. Israel is entitled to defend itself - and it doesn't have to tie one arm behind its back to even up the fight.

Final para of your post is pure whataboutery.

Only if pointing out double standards is whataboutery. Personally that's not how I understand the term.

The problem with claiming that's been their plan "all along" is that Israel already gave up Gaza nearly 20 years ago - even taking their dead with them, because they knew what the Palestinians would do to them.

So IF they've changed their minds since October 7th (and it's not government policy anyway) then that's because they've concluded that Gazans have shown that they don't want peace and therefore there's no point in trying to negotiate peace with them.