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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Administrators Posts: 55,641 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Why is that laughable?

    Because they happen to have control of the councils

    They have control of the councils because the people democratically voted to give them control of the councils.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    It will be very interesting to see if any of the Sinn Fein councillors actually support a Presidential candidate and who that is.

    I suspect that there will have been a public message of openness but a private message that says different.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,592 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    We'll never know, due to enforced omerta, who FG councillors might have supported.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,641 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The bare minimum is they beat Connolly on first preferences.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    An 'independent' was elected in 2018 but he wasn't a real one. Gavin is more 'independent' than Michael D. ever was.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Do you have a link to a statement from Gavin that he is joining FF. I haven't seen one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Connolly is an independent, meaning none of the parties that have backed her were able to find someone viable in their own ranks. Is that how it looks externally?

    Notably no other party is running an "emeritus" type candidate either, SF would have Gerry Adams to fit that bill if they wanted to bring him out of retirement. Former leaders and even present day MEPs are being forgotten about by the government, sometimes in favour of celebrities with no political experience

    Important to remember though that we are voting for a president with the equivalent political powers of King Charles, not one with Trumponian powers so other than a desire to give the govt a kicking it really doesn't matter who gets the job



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They don't "happen" to control the councils , they won control of them in a democratic Election.

    Just because you don't like them doesn't make their actions undemocratic.

    The Whip is used throughout all parts of democratic system , how is this any different to any other whipped vote anywhere anytime??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,151 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I view SF as a more sensible PBP. PBP have taken SF’s old lines anti EU anti-business. Party of protest minus the guns.
    To me SF are becoming more centrist but it is a gradual slow glacial process. And the whole Irish electorate deserve credit in the process forcing SF to grow up, and normalise.
    Boards is a good barometer even diehard SF supporters are showing the occasional sign of mellowing, but they ultimately fall back to the old “Republican pantomime” cliches.

    The likes of Mairead Farrell would probably make a good SF President someday. But that would be in three decades time or so.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,800 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    SINN FEIN have an opportunity to let some of these candidates onto the ballot, I wonder of the champions of democracy will have a punt with a McGregor, Sheridan, Casey etc etc. Plenty out there looking for endorsements?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,592 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If he is from 'outside the party' why does he have to join it now?

    And there is no box to tick 'give FG FF control of the councils' on any ballot paper. It's a coincidence that they have that ability from a democratic process to elect councillors. Using that anomaly is a subversion of what the constitution intended IMO.
    And before the usual crew go the usual route, I would think the same even if SF issued the same decree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    (1) None of the other parties that are backing Connolly had sufficient numbers to pick their own candidate so had to find a candidate outside the ranks of SDs, PBP and Labour to get a consensus.

    (2) Heather Humphreys is an "emeritus" type candidate, a retired Minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭mikep


    You can livestream the meeting from Kerry coco..

    https://www.kerrycoco.ie/livestreaming-of-special-meeting/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,971 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    God no! It’s embarrassing enough that Connolly is from Galway and that Michael D markets himself as such. We don’t need Farrell to add to that embarrassment. Her sole calling card and SF credibility seems to be that her Aunt was shot by the SAS while on a murder mission in Gibraltar.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They'll be doing remarkably well to poll ahead of Connolly.

    The SI poll at the weekend had MLMD 4/5 points behind Connolly in 1st preference votes and whoever they do pick is going to be less popular than her almost certainly.

    Now , granted there are a lot of undecided voters ,but given that their candidate is going to be 2nd tier at best , getting ahead of Connolly in 1st preferences would be a remarkable achievement.

    Given we are likely to have 4 candidates at best , the SF candidate at this point will be "1st off the island" as it were with most of their votes going to Connolly who might actually take a lead going in to the next count , but whoever of Gavin/HH is in 3rd will push the other over the top when they get eliminated.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,641 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The SDs, Labour and PBP are all small parties, there's a big difference between them and SF. SF are the main party of opposition keen to portray themselves as a serious party fit to govern.

    SDs are definitely backing Connolly because they had nobody of their own. PBP too. Labour likely had a few candidates but would have been outsiders and decided to row in behind this notion of unity (or at least, their leadership did).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,592 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fianna Fail said it had received his application. I presume he filled it in himself and approved it.

    But the party got caught out by questions about whether Mr Gavin was actually going to be a card-carrying member.

    “His application for membership has been received by the party,” a spokesperson finally said after two days of queries.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 31,466 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Yeah, would agree that is most likely. And I'm sure they know that which is why they are so unsure what to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,151 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Basics and history of the Irish Presidency what they can and can’t do etc

    https://www.rte.ie/news/presidential-election/2025/0908/1532252-ireland-presidency/

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The other parties backed her from the get go , so no it doesn't look weak , they are small parties and none of them could have gotten a nomination over the line on their own so consolidation was always going to be needed for a "left" candidate to get on the ballot.

    Leaving it until 4 days before the deadline to announce either a candidate or that they are supporting Connolly isn't great. If they had multiple people putting their hands up we'd have heard and there'd be talk of a vote etc.

    Again , regardless of the reality - Externally, this looks like no one truly viable wants to run so they are scrambling around trying to see if they can find someone who will run or whether they'll have to either row in with Connolly or just stay out entirely.

    There hasn't been a single hint of a rumour saying X or Y in SF is interested in running for President , that says something.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,592 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    If you look at the shift in polling through the last campaign we had most of the main parties running the shifts are quite dramatic.

    RED C polls on 25th Sept and 22nd Oct 2011
    Davis went from 13% to 2%

    Gallagher 11% to 40%
    Higgins 18% to 26%
    McGuinness 16% to 13%
    Mitchell 13% to 6%
    Norris 21% to 10%
    Scanlon 6% to 3%

    Then in the last days there was a huge shift with Higgins winning on 39.6%

    An election that can be said to be all about the campaign and where anything might happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,402 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The first part of any election, when candidates have not been selected, is pure uncertainty and wishful thinking. It is only in the last few weeks before an election, that things change when people begin to decide how to vote. Norris was the early leader but was effectively nobbled twice. In this election, there is no Norris candidate.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I also don't think it looks weak for parties to be backing outsiders. It's a bit strange for FF to back somebody not involved in politics but that's a side issue really.

    If SF come out in support of CC on the 20th, as I expect them to do, it will give a huge boost to her campaign just as the campaigning starts and the posters go up. I don't think they are scrambling to try and find a candidate, I think they have already made up their minds on the matter they are just waiting to announce it at a time of maximum impact. Also they have a chance now to give their councilors the time to mull over any independent candidates that might appeal to them personally



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭mikep


    I have the audio of the meeting in kerry on. None of the prospective candidates have a clue as to what the presidency entails.

    They are all going on about fixing the housing problem.

    What makes them think they have anything to contribute is beyond me...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭mikep


    It has to be said though, the councillors asking questions are all poiting this out to the participants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,765 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    A president would be unable to contribute anything to the housing emergency.

    But the fact that they are highlighting the existence of it to a council dominated by FF and FG suggests they should be trying a different speech maybe?



  • Site Banned Posts: 4,164 ✭✭✭Oíche Na Gaoithe Móire


    Can someone merge this Presidential Campaign 2025 thread with Presidential Campaign?



  • Administrators Posts: 55,641 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This entire post is nonsensical.

    A bit strange to back someone not involved in politics? Gavin wouldn't even be the first President to come from outside of politics were he to win, never mind the first candidate.

    Of course it will look weak if SF back Connolly now. It is obvious that SF would only back her now because they couldn't find a candidate of their own. The main opposition being unable to field a viable candidate is a pretty grim look.

    "We spent months going through the party and we talked to the grassroots at all levels and in the end we figured out that despite us being a big party and being the main opposition that the Social Democrats, Labour and PBP are all correct and Catherine Connolly is better than anyone we could have put forward so you should all go out and vote for her please."

    And you don't think this looks weak?

    Of course it'd be a boost to Connolly if they back her but it won't be enough. She will still lose, hence the reluctance to jump onto a sinking ship.

    If SF wanted to back Connolly they'd have done so long ago. This is surely obvious to everyone at this stage.



  • Administrators Posts: 55,641 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Like the options for SF are/have been, from the best to the worst:

    1. Field their own candidate and put in a respectable showing
    2. Row in behind Connolly earlier
    3. Field their own candidate and come dead last by a distance
    4. Row in behind Connolly now
    5. Do nothing and pretend there's no election.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    I suspect there will be unpublicised instructions from HQ not to facilitate any of the above or other named individuals. But even if there weren't it wouldn't make sense to me for SF councilors to be assisting the likes of Casey or Steen given the ideological space they are supposed to occupy. Is there are credible leftish independent trying to get on the ballot? I'm not aware…



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