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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,638 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    if FF follows FG

    Like I said, a racing certainty

    SF would have an opportunity to "stand up for democracy" in allowing its councillors to vote for independent candidates

    If they run their own candidate, highly unlikely. If they end up grudgingly backing Connolly a slim possibility but you'd have to ask how many SF councilors would be interested in bucking the party line in any event?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,588 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    How do we know Gavin didn’t ok the image?

    Has he denied lending her support?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    "Sources close to his camp have" here, https://www.thesun.ie/news/15800422/presidential-election-sabotage-hoax-pic-jim-gavin-fine-gael/

    although Adam Higgins the Sun's political correspondent gets the story wrong, its not a hoax, nor does it really rise to the threshold of dirty tricks as suggested by the Daily Mail.

    This was for the by-election, I saw someone say that he doesnt live in her constituency



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    I suppose sources close to the camp is all we have from Jim so far.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,214 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,214 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Ah I think you are reading way too much into all of this.

    It's the Presidential election.

    Once a candidate is elected and in the Áras everyone of the political parties have to be seen to accept the democratic vote , get in behind the President and go on about their business as before

    By Christmas, nobody will remember apart from the individuals themselves who didn't get elected , and even less will care.

    Sure most people don't remember who went for election except if there was a scandal .

    It's a role that is ceremonial and only relevant to the people of the country as someone who speaks very generally on their behalf , represents and attends functions, greets other dignitaries and heads of state ...except when there is a constitutional matter to be dealt with .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    She might, if she got on the ballot, but she won't, so she won't. And yes "small" is the word.

    You still can't explain why you think a political party with a candidate in an election should support rival candidates. It makes no sense at all. The US election guff is both irrelevant and tiresome.

    It was obvious to everyone that in 2011 FG gained a lot of "borrowed" FF voters, but as soon as that despicable party semi-rehabilitated itself those voters would return home.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Turnout was low because it was a locked-on second term for MDH, and there was no credible opposition candidate.

    It's not the governing parties' fault if the opposition can't come up with a credible candidate. SF's candidate was particularly bad and her poor showing was extremely embarrassing for the main opposition party. But it was pretty obvious she was "taking one for the team".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,123 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Around 40-50 Councillors nominated the Independents last time, they could have gotten more particularly Sean Gallagher… who was nominated by 5 councils but asked other Councils not to nominate him.

    Mary Davis was nominated by 10 Councils in 2011.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Even within FG it was acknowledged that Gay Mitchell was a terrible choice of candidate, but parties which aren't run out of a backroom in West Belfast have rules they have to abide by.

    The idea that FG should have run a candidate in 2018 is entirely ridiculous.

    The 2018 Presidential election has precisely zero relevance to the 2020 general election.

    You are hypothesising about a miracle SF candidate who is still a mystery, even if they exist at all. It seems that if they run anyone, it'll be with a bayonet poking them in the back and it'll be the end of their political career, just like Ni Riada.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Haskins is now working as a producer in the BBC.

    Sherdan is a chalatan.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We're well into the comedy hour now, "female voters" will line up to support Mary Lou regardless of her party's brainless policies and support for IRA terrorist murderers. 🙄

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It is not surprising that a party in decline like FG would do such a thing. There are probably decent people who support FG who are upset at what it has become under such incompetent leadership in the last few years. It is basically handing both FF and SF an opportunity to present it as being anti-democratic with a weak candidate.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Nah. Failure to find a credible candidate within their own ranks is a massive embarrassment for the main opposition party.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Mary Davis was possibly the most useless Presidential candidate ever, and I say this as someone who hates Dana.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    They may yet have a candidate from within their own ranks. They havnt decided yet

    A big reveal of a candidate will get all the media attention or they will row in behind Catherine

    You must think it's an absolute embarrassment for the biggest party in Govt to have it's leader pushing for a candidate that's not within the party

    If Connolly or a SF candiate dosn't win, I hope Gavin wins because FG will be sick to lose an election they had in the bag a few weeks ago (according to them anyway)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yes their super-duper masterplan is in action. We can be forgiven for thinking that they don't have a clue and are getting increasingly desperate, and that nobody wants to be the next Ni Riada and Mary Lou does not want to end her political career with a presidential campaign loss.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    They have said for ages they would decide on a candidate in September

    Nothing has changed apart from the obsession with some on who they might run, what's going on inside the party etc

    SF don't run their party through the media, and don't have TDs ringing jounros after every phone call or meeting letting them know what was said and who said what. For some reason that annoys FF and FG supporters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,668 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They're more secretive than Kim Jong Un's mob. Only 35% of SF voters would vote for Mary Lou as President. She should have stayed in Fianna Fail 😁

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    35% want her to run for president

    That does in no way mean 35% would vote for her if she's on the ballot

    A child would know the difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,401 ✭✭✭jmcc


    It seems that the ones who most want MLMcD to run for president are FF and FG. Perhaps she is too effective in the Dail and has led SF to victory over FG in two GEs (most upsetting for FGers). Both FF and FG seem to have lost their independent identities and are now inextricably linked in the minds of voters. FF and FG candidates in GEs tend to transfer well to each other. The problem is that in a zero-sum game like the presidential election, the presidency cannot be shared between FF and FG so one of them will have to lose if the other is to win.

    Gavin's start at 20% is broadly in line with the GE support of FF and he is a relatively unknown candidate outside of the GAA. FF seems to be hoping for a GAA boost in that it will encourage voters outside FF to vote for him. FG had the chance with Sean Kelly, a proven vote getter and former GAA president. Instead it went with Humphreys.

    The media has been filled with discussion of Gavin, Bertie Ahern's comments and talk of the FF selection contest. There was some negative coverage of Humphreys and a minister standing up for her. But the Trump-like flooding the zone strategy, whether intentionally or unintentionally used by FF, is working. FG's Bidenised presidential campaign is stalled for the moment. The focus is on FF and SF.

    Ironically, the incessant focus by FG supporters on SF instead of their own candidate is providing more attention for SF and what it does next. While FG supporters are too busy wondering what SF will do next, FF will be promoting Gavin as a better candidate than Humphreys.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭An Claidheamh


    Yes

    Plenty of women vote for FFG despite their support for terrorist murderers and brainless policies.

    Men too.

    It's almost like we are living in a republican democracy, oh wait



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,403 ✭✭✭pureza


    Reads like an An Poblacht Op Ed tbh

    The only reason FF and FG voters transfer to each other is because they have an alignment of values

    The only reason they are in a government is that set of values is what a majority of voters want here

    SF are bad at maths but hopelessly failing at populism too it seems

    No harm in them displaying that

    Just as there’s no harm in the government pointing it out

    Many of SF’s friends,leaderships in Countries like Cuba,Venuzela,China and the like would save the need for such an Op Ed as we’d have an autocracy with no freedom of expression

    Funny that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 535 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Mary Lou on RTÉ radio right now saying she won't be the SF candidate for president.

    Does this mean that SF have abandoned putting forward any candidate for the election? It certainly appears that's the case. Realistically, there isn't any other person within the SF ranks who could muster enough support nationally to win the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭mikep


    She didn't answer it directly but it sounds like they aren't putting a candidate forward

    She sounds quite unsure of herself...not as polished as she normally is considering she's not being asked anything unexpected..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,588 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Don't think so, she said they will meet with Connolly and hear what she has to say. Several others in the mix. Decision to be made at Ard Comhairle.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 535 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Agreed, she certainly didn't come across as sure-footed as you would expect. It sounds like the SF backroom boys can't agree on a strategy for this election, so the media facing politicians are left to ad-libbing until they are informed about what their masters have decided...



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