What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Note in Post #3372**

If you've moved on that's fair enough. Can I just confirm that you can't actually articulate the reasons behind your opinions that we've been discussing over the last few days?

I have a strong feeling in my waters that the same males shouting about women's only spaces would be the some ones moaning about equal rights for women as a reduction of their male rights

Mad world.

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My most controversial opinion is that "maybe" the office of president should be handed down from generation to generation. Michael D hands the office down to his eldest offspring.

Might that work ?

You could just admit you dont know the reasons underpinning your opinion. It takes self awareness to admit something like that. But you're not alone. There are loads of people on Boards who have strong opinions and get stroppy when asked to articulate the reasons for their opinion. They have to come up with reasons why they ought not explain their position (as you did in the first sentence of your post above).

I find it fascinating to wonder whether the poster who can't explain their opinion actually acknowledges to themselves that they don't have great reasons. It probably depends on their levels self awareness. Some people are doing their best but just don't have the ability.

Not to worry, thanks for the chat. I found it interesting to see the lengths a poster would go to to avoid admitting they don't know the reasons they hold such a strong opinion.

What about one of devs crowd,would they not have a claim.

a strange way to twist it. but its not like you want to see a solution, an excuse for offense is much more appealing.

they're a tiny tiny fraction of a miniscule minority, let them adapt to the majority. a third option is already available, take it and stop being an issue. We have actual problems to solve.

well whats your answer? let the women who dont want biological males in their changing rooms just 'feck off'.

somebody has to feck off it would seem. theres a conflict and a limited resource. i would suggest the far smaller group, the trans-women, must compromise, especially when they have another option right there.

or we could go the other way. maybe biological women who dont want to change clothes around a lady-penis should all use the disabled bathroom, and the statistically ultra-rare trans-woman can use the womens room.

we can just adapt society to the whims of the individual. like me, im an individual, i feel the need for some midnight diy, so open up woodies. let the many adapt to my individual needs. and if you dont then you're a bigot and im offended.

I never said there was free speech on boards.

I mean some users can't even post emojis or will be banned.

I never said I support free speech.

I said those who report posts do not believe in free speech.

Right, but I just asked about demonstrable harm and your response was irony rather than just pointing to the demonstrable harms. I think you could make your point much powerfully if you just pointed to the harms.

I don't think anyone has ever argued that men should be entitled to share dressing rooms and public bathrooms with women.

Those are places where women are far more vulnerable than being out in public.

I think common sense would tell you that.

Women are fine being in public with men they dont know i doubt they would be happy with men going into their dressing rooms at the gym or using their toilets.

Of course if you know better and think its OK for me to walk into womens dressing rooms without an issue then fine , I might try it some time.

I had always given the anti trans people the benefit of the doubt that they had evidence but struggled to articulate it. Now I'm coming to realise, they don't have evidence at all. They just feel it's wrong but don't have anything beyond that.

If there were stats, I presume they'd be quick to site them. If stats showed a load of trans women attacking women in changing rooms, I think the anti trans people would flog those stats to death. Likewise, if there were stats that show straight men are exploiting the rules to pose as trans women to go into changing rooms and attack women, they'd flog those stats too. But they don't. They don't even seem to have anecdotes of some mad 'Florida Man' doing it.

'Common sense' or 'ah, shur, you know yourself, like' just doesn't cut it. If there is evidence of harm, just show it. If there isn't evidence of harm, just say so.

Why should it be up to women to sacrifice women only spaces if they don't want to?

The compromise is trans people using the gender neutral/disabled toilets that is the best option for everyone, women are safe, trans people have bathroom to use and everyone would be kept happy.

If trans women can use womens bathrooms why can't men, there is no difference between them biologically so why should men also be excluded from women's bathrooms.

The fact they can't accept the tiniest of compromises tells you something, its not about having their dignity respected it's about domination and telling women they have to put up with it whether they like it or not.

Trans Women are not women they need to accept that and realize that everything that is available to women won't be available to them and learn to live with it.

See below for evidence you were looking for

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

I pointed out, ironically, the flaw in your argument. Two flaws, actually: one, those women only spaces are women only, they are by design exclusive to women, same as men only spaces are exclusive to men. So if we open up women only spaces to a minority of men, then why have them at all? Why not allow all men to go into women only spaces, and viceversa? The second flaw, these spaces are not designed to prevent harm, they are designed to keep people comfortable, that is, to protect feelings. So why would the feelings of a small minority of men be such important that they override the feelings of the vast majority of women?