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Presidential Election.

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,499 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    He’s not just a doctor, he’s a Professor Doctor! Just what we need!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,609 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Can’t help seeing similarities between Bertie and Enoch Burke, —sitting outside the Dail day and night , waiting on a call from MM to invite him into the presidential race 😀

    If Bertie was so sure he’d get the presidency he would have gone the independent route - he’s crunched enough election numbers through the years to know that - obviously the numbers didn’t add up- but being on the FF ticket was absolutely no guarantee of success either


    thinking of an image of Al



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭NiceFella


    Delete



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,045 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    He displayed zero emotion after any of the All-Ireland wins. As if it was all part of the process and they were well-oiled machines.

    I know it's a theme across the game now where managers are oh so serious, but he seems to be the archetype.

    At least Liam Cahill showed a human side after Tipp's win letting a few tears flow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    When nominations close and the credible candidates are known it will settle down.

    Most people who take voting seriously will find someone worth supporting.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    How ..are you serious ??

    Ahern is a washed up , hasbeen for a long time . Everyone knows that , except for himself.

    He has some hangers on, but other FF worth their salt know that to be seen to support him is to bring up all the pain that he caused to people in this country and the damage to the party . They were lucky to recover at all from that , and they know it , and he will never be pushed front and centre again except by himself .

    If anyone is dangerous to Martin its those presently in the party especially JoC .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭almostover


    As big and all as the Áras is, it would need to be extended to fit Bertie's ego into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Might be a run on the stationery dept .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A lot of FFers probably miss the good old days when FF was polling around 40% and was, by far, the largest party in the Dail. It has had to effectively merge with FG, its mortal enemy, to get into government. That wuold have been unthinkable under Ahern, Reynolds, Haughey, Lynch etc.

    Despite Ahern wanting the endorsement of FF as its presidential candidate, there is a risk of Martin becoming another Jack Lynch. Lynch was more successful than Martin in electoral terms. Chambers may be Martin's chosen successor but like George Colley, he might be collateral damage in any leadership contest.

    The FFers don't seem to be happy North Koreans enthralled by their dear leader. Ahern's presidential ambitions created a big problem for Martin. With McGuinness in the race, Martin had some cover in that he could claim that McGuinness was a very strong candidate. With her out of the race, it is open season and Humphreys is a Kamala Harris style candidate. The FF sharks have the scent of blood in the water and they hate to be subservient to FG. Gavin is not a good candidate and the fact that he only recently became a card-carrying FF member smacks of panic from the Martin regime. The coronation has gone pear-shaped. If Gavin doesn't win, he may not be the only FF casualty of the election.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Maybe , I don't deny any of that is going on .

    But it's nothing to do with BA . He was never a goer .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭jmcc


    He may have wanted to be the FF nominee as a kind of redemption. He approached FF management last December and never got a reply despite being promised one. Martin was also part of the Ahern and Cowen cabinets.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭mvt


    All of the FF leaders you have mentioned would have done the same if it meant keeping SF out of power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Hold My Hand


    Unsurprisingly, following a car crash interview with Cuddihy, Joanna Donnelly withdraws from race



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Ahern's presidential ambitions created a big problem for Martin

    It created zero problems whatsoever.

    You're essentially just writing fanfiction at this point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,609 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    He was alright but managed to survive the FF desecration - there’s no way Martin could have put Bertie on the ticket- FF would lose massively in the next election- it would have been the equivalent of handing SF a loaded gun, no less a two fingers to the voting public.

    I think Ahern could have achieved some good for the country as president but seen how he was operating these last few weeks, showed me he’s still coming across as a bit of a cunning individual but really, we’ve had that style of leadership before and it’s old hat now - it’s not his age I’d be concerned about- it’s his attitude



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Didn't we have the independent reporting last week that a poll of FF TDs most wanted Bertie

    That has caused a problem for Martin whether you admit it or not



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I dont read the Independent so I dont know.

    Ex party big wig comes out expressing interest. Current leader is known not to want him. Ex party big wig slinks off back into the shadows cause he cant get support.

    That is not a story about problems for Martin. It is a story about how pathetic Ahern is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,158 ✭✭✭Tombo2001


    Agreed - people go on as if its somehow the fault of the politicians or the candidates if turn out is low - quite the opposite, its entitled people being entitled. I wont be bothered voting, but still want to whinge non stop because the country isnt run the way I want.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that Ahern was readmitted to the FF party.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,775 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    He was. "Ex party big wig" means someone who used to be important but now quite clearly is not. The whole thing is evidence of Martin's clout. The idea it causes him problems makes no logical sense.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I know. Probably why he doesn't want to be associated anymore with him .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Micheal Martin welcomed Bertie back into the FF party

    Strange behaviour from someone who he does not want to be associated with anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have you ever heard of "Rehabilitation and Forgiveness ? "/s

    Big difference allowing someone back into the party and being gracious, in public anyway , and putting them forward for President , as a representative of the party .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Only because he stuck the knife in Cowen's back. Brian Lenihan had aspirations to lead FF before he died. Cowen was very much the incompetent fallguy for what happened with Ahern.

    Ahern may play the bumbling man of the people but he is a very sharp politician and probably much smarter than Martin. That makes him dangerous and Martin's days as leader of FF may be numbered. Perhaps FF might fracture into Provisional FF and Official FF if things go too far. How Gavin does in the election may decide Martin's short-term fate.

    One option for Martin might have been to let Ahern run and get defeated. McGuinness was too strong a candidate and there was a strong possibility that she could win. That would have ended Ahern's path to electoral absolution. Martin's servile attitude to FG is a problem for FF. The C&S agreement was one of the worst situations for FF in that it supported FG but didn't get the ministerial perks. It was then forced into joining with its mortal enemy in 2020. Now, it is back in government on an even iffier deal with Lowry and his people. FF may be the largest party in the Dail and some FFers may want FF to act like it.

    McGuinness dropping out may have caught Martin unprepared. It would have been easy for him to claim that McGuinness was too strong a candidate for FF to run one. With FG's Kamala Harris candidate (Humphreys), the dithering stopped. FF now had a better chance of winning the presidency.

    Some FFers seem to have grown tired of Martin's appeasement of FG and long for the days when FF was the big beast in the Dail. To date, Martin's Stalinist rule over FF has kept him in power. With Ahern, things have changed even if Ahern is not the FF candidate. There has never been an FG president. If, and this is unlikely at present, Humphreys wins, Martin's could be facing a leadership challenge.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭harryharry25


    Only someone who knows they done something wrong can be rehabilitated

    From what RTE reported on him yesterday, Bertie clearly thinks he done nothing wrong and people are telling lies about him

    I suppose gangsters stick together and that's why he was welcomed back into FF with open arms



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,467 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Usually it involves somebody acknowledging they did something wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I have heard it all now...."Martin's appeasement of FG "vs " Martin's Stalinist rule "!

    Can't make up my mind whether you are insulting him or you like him ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Oh , yawn , you think I am a FF do you ? 🤣

    Can you tag someone else the next time please ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that Martin has damaged FF. The "Stalinist rule" phrase is not complimentary. He's more a symptom than the illness. It used to be the major party in Irish politics but the candidate selection power was gradually concentated in FFHQ under Ahern and Cowen. This cut FF off from some of its grassroots connections. The breaking of the dual mandate (TD and councillor) in 2003 also reduced some of the clientelism that kept FF as the largest party for so long.

    A leader more certain of his position would have left Ahern off on his quest to be the FF candidate and have had him defeated in the selection contest. Ahern's defeat in that contest may not have been certain so Martin did what he does best: he dithered. That might have worked had McGuinness remained the FG candidate. He could have presented McGuinness as being unbeatable. Things changed when McGuinness dropped out of the race. There was no strong FF candidate ready.

    Regards…jmcc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,004 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    He did admit to confusing people !

    "I know some people will feel that some aspects of my finances are unusual. I truly regret if this has caused any confusion or worry in people's minds."

    From his resignation statement^^ . I won't print the rest .

    I agree . And it was just a whitewash as much for the party as BA . To be able to talk about his work for the GFA and to say the party has moved on.

    I should have made it clear that was sarcasm but I would have thought my previous posts would have made that clear . Like this ....

    I think CMAT 's song Eurocountry describes my feelings and those of a lot of people I know who survived that era in spite of FF ...

    " All the big boys, all the Berties

    All the envelopes, yeah, they hurt me

    I was twelve when the das started killing themselves all around me (All around me)....

    And no one says it out loud but I know it can be better if we hound it"

    .

    Good to see this being talked about ( and into our music and culture ) so that this generation and others can learn about him and what he said and did .



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