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Saorview Updates - 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    No, that test pattern has been there for at least a year at this stage. It alternates between that one and the PT8612 sync test pattern. I don't think it means anything in reality, just unused space.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Yes and the reason for the test cards are there are the future services for new tv stations. The test cards won't be there forever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    These test cards are likely to become streaming channels under the planned DVB-I trial. LCN 9 could become RTE Player for example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Yes that's right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,445 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Moving from a house into a mobile home. I want to connect my LG TV to Saorview, is there a way I can check signal strength and could any of ye recommend a good indoor aerial? Thanks



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Depends on where you are in the country. I have found in certain areas you will need an outdoor aerial, while in other areas an indoor aerial is perfectly fine. I also wonder about many of the "booster" aerials available, I would first test with a simple pair of Rabbit Ears if you have any still around.

    But plenty of others that might give better advice on them.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    https://www.amazon.ie/Mercury-Indoor-Set-Top-Aerial/dp/B000NVR8OW

    Try an indoor yagi aerial like this, they are tuned for UHF reception.

    Any aerial with a built-in booster will only boost what is received, so if you receive a crap signal or no signal it won't improve it. They can boost a marginal signal.

    No one will be able to advise you about the signal inside your mobile home, this will have to be tested by yourself.

    If you have good proximity to strong transmitter in your area it might be possible to get a decent signal indoors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 405_Lines_TV


    Will Saorsat survive until the end of this decade? I.e will Saorsat be on air January 1st 2030 ? It will be pretty barebones If it's on air after the two +1 TV channels and 4 digital radio stations close. I wonder how much TG4 had to pay to put the Cula4 channel on it ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    By that date the satellite that carries Saorsat will be 4 years beyond its expected service life of 15 years.

    Once that satellite ceases operation so too will Saorsat, there is no replacement .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 405_Lines_TV


    If Saorsat is closing next year/2027, RTE have been very quiet about it



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Was this part of the plan? again how much is this closure really saving RTÉ.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I don’t think the closure of Saorsat was ever officially announced, but the satellite is near end of life with no replacement planned, so it’ll happen anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    I haven't heard anything about Saorsat closing.

    I assume Saorsat will continue so long as there's satellite capacity for it.

    Just to add RTE has said they could soft launch Saorview IPTV via DVB-I in 2027, a replacement for Saorsat in the long term.

    Post edited by The Cush on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,291 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There will be a lot of other companies looking for a new way to deliver their content when the satellite goes. BBC article from when it was launched in 2010. There are currently 83 spot beams, according to the Satbeams website. AFAIK, Ireland is the only one with broadcasting.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12065466

    "Ka-Sat has a total throughput of some 70Gbps. This will be channelled via 82 spot beams on to different market areas stretching from North Africa to southern Scandinavia. A very small segment of the Middle East will also be reached. Eutelsat has signed about 70 deals with distributors across the satellite's "footprint", and more would be signed over the next year, said Mr de Rosen."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Iirc 82 spotbeams, with one reconfigurable beam to make 83 if required.

    Throughput is 90-92 Gbps. The next generation geosats have far higher throughputs 500 Gbps/1 Tbsp, Eutelsat Konnect VHTS/Viasat 3 respectively. The interim Eutelsat Konnect satellite has a throughput of about 75 Gbps.

    Ka-Sat's residential customer base has probably pretty much migrated to Starlink at this point with the geosats concentrating on commercial customers where latency wouldn't be as important.

    Ka-Sat was originally a Eutelsat/Viasat joint venture, satellite/ground network and payload/CPE respectively, but they fell out about 8 years ago over their planned next generation High Throughput satellites. Eutelsat sold their stake in Ka-Sat and ground network to Viasat a few years ago but Eutelsat retained the satellite slot.

    So when Ka-Sat is withdrawn from service Viasat no longer has access to the satellite slot. Viasat's new satellite over Europe launches next year but will locate at 13.9 degrees east, a slot leased from Israel iirc.

    Since Saorsat was announced I've had an interest in this particular area and the interest was again raised when my SIL was desperate for a decent broadband connection, better than her then 4 km ADSL landline, which was required when COVID hit.

    Her company moved everyone to WFH around mid-2020, but there was no option other than Bigblu satellite broadband reselling Ka-Sat.

    Demand for satellite capacity was so high during COVID that Saorsat parameters were tightened to move capacity to broadband customers.

    My SIL eventually moved to Starlink mid 2023 at half the monthly cost, low latency, higher speed, no priority limits, moved landline to VoIP via Starlink and cancelled Vodafone ADSL broadband. From approx €200 pm to €65 pm for all their broadband/calls, €50 now of course.

    Bigblu broadband was purchased by Eutelsat a few years ago for their planned Konnect broadband service but as part of the purchase agreement continue to service Viasat Ka-Sat legacy customers.

    When Ka-Sat is eventually switched off all those Saorsat Ka band LNBs will become redundant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,291 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Low Earth Orbit satellites like Starlink have solved the latency problem with geostationary satellite internet all right. There are a lot of the little buggers up there now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭zanardi


    Hopefully it's VM1. They put up QR codes for viewers to WhatsApp their programs, but there's insufficient resolution on their blurry SD transmission to be able to decode the link. I think it would need to take up half the SD screen to resolve correctly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 VJ the DJ


    The journal reporting today that RTE Radio 1xtra, 2xm Pulse and Junior radio are closing Dec 31

    thejournal.ie/rte-digital-radio-stations-shut-down-pulse-2xm-6880413-Nov2025/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 70 ✭✭NorthDown2


    Any update on what RTE are going to do with their Religious Services programmes which are broadcast on Sunday mornings on 1Xtra? I can see a swathe of those who listen in being unable to if they have to reply on their tablet / phone / computer. Sad to see it and radio commentaries of rugby go that were found on 1Xtra.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,468 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Good point, weren't these programmes moved to R1 Extra after the closure of medium wave? So where will they go now?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭Mickey Mike


    All these religious services are so tellivison



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Maybe RTE RADIO ONE might have a religious services but don't know yet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-culture-communications-and-sport/publications/application-from-rt%C3%A9-under-section-103-of-the-broadcasting-act-2009/

    Full decision and work here. Costs redacted haven't through through all of it, I am sure RTÉ in the application considered everything.

    The stations were due to be closed last year but application only made this time last year.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,367 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    Interesting to note that the Minister sat on the result of CNM advice for 8 months



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    So when Ka-Sat is withdrawn from service Viasat no longer has access to the satellite slot. Viasat's new satellite over Europe launches next year but will locate at 13.9 degrees east, a slot leased from Israel iirc.

    Update on this: ViaSat-3 F2 (EMEA) was successfully launched last week. This satellite was originally intended to cover Europe, Middle East and Africa with high throughput Ka Band capacity.

    Following a major antenna deployment anomaly that significantly impacted its performance, ViaSat-3 F1 (Americas) launched back in May 2023, is likely to be repositioned over Europe provided ViaSat-3 F2 is successfully deployed over the Americas at 79°W

    ViaSat-3 F1 whose payload is fully operational but due to the antenna anomaly is operating at less than 10% of its planned capacity.

    So where will it end up over Europe? Its original planned 13.8°E or could they reach an arrangement with Eutelsat for extension of the lease at 9°E and possibly replace the ageing Ka-Sat? Could the hobbled antenna cover the 82/83 existing spotbeams?

    The third and final planned satellite of this series, ViaSat-3 F3 (APAC), to cover the Asia-Pacific region, is due to be launched next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Interesting to note that RTÉ left it until this time last year before deciding to make a proposal to the minister, even though they had wanted to close the stations down by the end of 2024. Other minister took just as long to make a such decisions, both Rabbitte and White took so long on one occasion RTÉ withdrew their proposal.

    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,645 ✭✭✭Rick_


    I was retuning the TV today and noticed all the extra channels that show up from the two Saorview MUX's. There are 8 test cards being broadcast with a tone (one of them static and in a higher resolution) - are they ever gonna become something I wonder? Seems like such a waste to not use that bandwidth for something more useful, like getting all the channels at full 1920x1080 resolution. Yes, they have to pay for their bandwidth, but if no-ones coming on to the platform, who is paying for these cards to be broadcast taking up the bandwidth? Plus what's with the 50 or so blank channels that get stored as well. What purpose do they serve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,444 ✭✭✭✭The Cush




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 162 ✭✭Aidan McCarthy


    Yes there will be some new channels coming on air some time next year or the year after and regardless to the test cards. Test cards are there but they won't be there forever



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    ______

    In the end they were just greedy, they all knew one another and knew what to expect more money for no return, it was a secure cash flow, but in fairness they looked for what they wanted and fair dues to them for that, and wouldn't you be doing the same!

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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