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General Premier League Thread 2025/2026

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,945 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    You're right. Palace should've bowed to Liverpool and dashed out and replaced their captain with anyone at all, regardless of suitability just so Liverpool can get the player they want.

    The bang of arrogance off your post. The whole football world doesn't revolve around one club.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,173 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    He is right. Palace have been advertising Guehi for sale since early/mid August. They wanted to sell. Strange and dumb they didn’t get set up to do what they wanted to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭OneEightSeven
    MEGA - Make Éire Great Again


    Ten Hag getting sacked after 3 competitive games is a German record that he probably didn't want. He lasted exactly two months.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    As mentioned above, he was for sale, it's pretty basic to get your ducks in order once the decison has been made.

    'Dashing out' - comical.

    The bang of ignorance of the situation off your post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,945 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    They were trying to buy Igor Julio, but that deal fell through at the end when he chose West Ham instead. The knock on from that is that if they completed the Guehi sale then they'd be left short, so quite rightly they have decided to keep him.

    If everyone has their "ducks in order" Liverpool should've been buying Guehi in July, not leaving it till the last day.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Sounds like a right mess at Palace, manager threatening to quit on deadline day, furious with their window

    I wouldn't want to be a betting man with the first manager out the door this season as every few days there seems a new likely candidate

    Liverpool hopefully have enough CB cover until January and get Guéhi at the very start of the window for half the fee. Palace have literally months more to work on a replacement. Could work out fine just need to manage players well and hope for no injuries or else we'll be seeing Robbo at CB again!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    Fair play to Glasner putting his foot down on the Guehi deal. If Palace wanted to sell him it should have been done in July not waiting until the last hour of the window and not having a replacement in. Same goes for Liverpool, who I've praised previously for how well they've done this window, if they knew Guehi was available then why wait until the final day to try get it over the line. Pay £5m extra and get him in before the first game of the season. £35m or £40m for Guehi is still a steal. Now they've left themselves open to other clubs being in a position to move for Guehi in January or next summer.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 35,689 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    By your logic no one should be bought on the last day, they should be bought earlier, bizarre outlook.

    You clearly want to blame everything on the big bad Wolf, Liverpool, but that is simply not the case.

    Palace had more than enough time to get cover and appease their manager. They also didn't treat their captain very well at all in my view.

    Liverpool and Guehi did everything right.

    Palace can take all the blame for the transfer not happening.

    Your 'love' for Liverpool won't change that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,667 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    There were reports that Palace wanted to keep him until they knew which European competition they were in next year and that they made it through the qualifying rounds.

    It was also reported that Hughes and Parish met at the Charity Shield to discuss the transfer with Parish saying a few times that they'd have to sell rather than lose him on a free.

    By all accounts Liverpool were waiting for the ok from Palace just like from Newcastle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I don't think he was available in July. I think occam's razor here is that he doesn't become available until they have a replacement lined up, which is fair enough as they play 3 at the back and they are through to European group stage

    They left it until yesterday to sign the young CB from Toulouse, Igor Julio on loan, and Pavlovic from....somewhere in Italy I think.

    I think they wanted Guéhi to ensure they made it into Europe via the playoff games last week, and that was the right call and they just about scraped it.

    But it looks to me as if they just left themselves with too much to do on the final day trying to sign multiple CB's (apparently there was also a late enquiry for Disai of Chelsea) and the manager was forced to say that he can't manage in 4 competitions this season if they've only brought in 1 CB who's a teenager to replace their captain

    Unfortunate, but don't forget that Liverpool have long said that they'll happily take him on a free next summer, so it's more of a delay than a complete failure for the player and I believe he'll get his move hopefully on a big cut price of £20m or less on Jan 1st just like when Virgil joined

    It'll cost him some glamour ties v Real Madrid and going to the San Siro but there'll be plenty of time for more of those. Moving in January though still gives him a chance to compete for trophies this season that Palace can't compete for, while still playing half the season for them in their first Conference League campaign leaving him eligible for a medal if they go and win that



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,929 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I'm not sure its arrogance but manybe naivety? I know the narrative is its all Palaces fault, but why didn't Liverpool have a Guehi alternate ready?

    I've seen Palace being blamed but I dont think thats fair. Why should Palace leave themselves short just to save Liverpool from being short? Liverpool should have at least prepared an alternate to tell Palace if the Guehi deal isn't completed by say 2pm then we will just push and sign Tomori/Branthwaite/Whoever instead and get Guehi on a free next year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    I think the Guéhi alternative was not letting Gomez go. There were bids yesterday and Milan seemed the most confident

    Signing Guéhi I think allows Joe Gomez to leave, not signing him means Joe had to stay.

    Yeah Guéhi is a better player, but numbers wise it's the same amount of cover and you offset Guéhi needing to settle in with Gomez being the longest serving player at Liverpool who has captained the club in the past and looked completely comfortable against Arsenal at the weekend.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,732 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Liverpool kept Gomez so they aren’t any shorter than last year. They waited until the end of the window to pull off the transfer of the window in Isak, just have to wait a few more months for Guehi. Fingers crossed no long term injury or dramatic loss of form that derails the lad’s career in the meantime.

    Does show you that being a “good pro” just stalls / delays your career progression in these scenarios. Players need to make it clear to their current club that they have to be moved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭davemckenna25


    Also at what stage in the few weeks did liverpool submit a bid for him?

    Did they leave it untill the last day?

    Both clubs are at fault (if fault is the correct word).

    Palace don't have to sell just because Liverpool want him and he is in favour of the move.

    Liverpool could have submitted a higher bid 2 weeks ago, but they didn't.

    The player would have requested a transfer, but he didn't.

    Palace could have lined up a replacement, but he's the club captain and someone they didn't want to sell, not easy to replace and definitely not at the money they were getting for him. So, why should they and they didn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah even yestersay afternoon after Milan said they couldn't do the medical in time there was talk that Gomez would still be allowed to leave and something could happen later in the day.

    I think the clear implication was that had Guéhi signed earlier in the day, Joe would have gone

    Liverpool did exactly what Palace did. AC Milan had the full agreement to sign him but Liverpool refused to authorise the transfer because Guéhi wasn't done.

    Milan had to pull out because there was no time to get it done later so they were another domino affected by how late the Palace decision was

    But, importantly, Liverpool did the right thing not authorising the transfer and it paid off

    The only mystery is why Gomez, from London who previously played for a London club, wasn't an option for Palace. It seemed an obvious solution but no journalist seems to have asked or gotten an answer on that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,732 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I do enjoy all these genuine questions about how Liverpool got this one wrong though. I guess it gives some angle of relief when thinking about the league champions, their 100% record and epic club record deadline day striker. Look at Liverpool, so incompetent, hah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,929 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    How would Guehi throwing a tantrum convince Igor not to do a sudden late pivot to West Ham?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,009 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    There was no alternative it was "a market opportunity" as we call it. A player for half his market value.

    Oh well it's a player for quarter is value in 4 months at worst.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    As I said above, they needed Guéhi right up until last Thursday to qualify for Europe

    The thinking here is that had he tried to force a move or refuse to play earlier in the summer, they would have been forced to have a replacement in for that European playoff tie already. Palace have already played 6 games this season while some other clubs have only played 3. They would have needed to sort a CB before deadline day without him playing

    However, you apply that same situation to Newcastle and needing a striker and maybe it plays out the same and Palace simply can't get it done no matter what until the end of the window.

    But I think that's the implication of that other post



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,971 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    The epl teams spent nearly £3bn this summer.

    Proving its in a different level to every other league when it comes to money.

    The bubble gets bigger. Will it ever burst?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,995 ✭✭✭NITRO95


    They are genuine questions and nobody is saying Liverpool had a bad window or are somehow no longer favorites for the league. Its ok to say Liverpool overall had a great window but may have got the Guehi move wrong by waiting too long. Look maybe he joins in January and yous are still unbeaten at that point, that won't change that things could have been done differently to have got him in now or before the season began.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,929 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Maybe but its worth remembering Palace were stuck in limbo waiting to know what European competition they were in. That did delay their activity.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 57,884 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    I may be completely off base here but I suspect between likely wage demands (coming from a bigger club) coupled with a dicey injury record Palace probably didn't consider Gomez worth the financial cost. Milan could likely afford to take a hit if/when he got injured again, Palace probably can't where he's the direct replacement for their captain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah fair point.

    Overall I think Liverpool (management, recruitment team) will be frustrated and angry but in the context of the whole window it's not that huge of a deal I don't think

    Last year CB options were Virgil, Konaté, Quansah and Gomez

    This season you replace Quansah with Leoni - in the senior Italy squad - and Quansah plays 45mins, 45mins, 53mins, 20mins at CB on the way to winning the league in 4 appearances so its not like he was used much last season

    Endo is the break glass option and Robertson after that. Maybe Bajčetic who I think is staying and was a CB coming through. Rhys Williams still on the books but he'll be leaving. Wellity Lucky too young but he's down the depth chart as is Gravenberch.

    If we have injuries that force us down that far I think we're in massive trouble regardless

    The priority yesterday was Isak. We needed a forward way way way more than we needed a CB, and then we come again for Marc in January and he can have an FA Cup 3rd round debut like Virg



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    Yeah maybe it's the injury thing. I'd imagine the financial obstacles could be overcome by making it a loan if they just need him to tide them over to making a permanent signing - I think Igor Julio was supposed to be a loan too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,427 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    I think its an absolute fucken disgrace that Palace had the audacity to hold onto their captain Mark Guehi.

    How dare they defy Liverpool and not fall into line! 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,525 ✭✭✭✭8-10


    On an Anfield Wrap podcast yesterday they were saying that the £35m was agreed with Parish around the time of the Community Shield game last month

    Not sure how true that is but talks were reported at that time and I think that's also when he said that he felt the club had to sell him

    I don't think it's a case of bidding £50m a month ago gets it done (Liverpool wouldn't want a deal at that price anyway), I think Palace still reject it until the end of the window so it makes sense to me given how nobody else seemed to be linked with a bid for him that the high level agreement with club and player was likely already in place before yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,732 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    I mean yeah man. Given Newcastle fell into line in the end, it is genuinely surprising!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭The Big Easy


    And made far more palatable by the defensive performance against Arsenal at the weekend.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,494 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Having your ducks in a row is the smart move. If Liverpool were organised Guehi would be in red now.

    Last day transfers are desperate and often times more expensive. They should be avoided at all costs.

    Did City or Arsenal do any major business yesterday?

    I'm not gonna hide here and let on I like Liverpool. I don't like them that much, I really dislike Arsenal and Chelsea and they are the only sides ahead of them in that category..

    There is nothing bizarre about believing teams should be better organised and have all their work done before the last day.

    Liverpool weren't organised and didn't get the transfer done, that's their fault.

    At no stage did Guehi make any complaints about what was going on. It's nice to see a good, respectable young man like that these days.

    I hope Guehi signs a new contract with them for big money and a fair release clause in it.



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