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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Care to explain what misogynistic statement I made?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    In this case I was pointing to the supposed gain in support. I'd be more inclined to say Steen is not an idiot, she is a religious extremist who has ran propaganda for a religious think tank. She has actively attempted to limit the rights of the LGBT community and women. Her support will primarily come from the kinds of conspiracy theorists who picket libraries and a dwindling religious extremist community.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Women are absolutely allowed have opinions and they can also be called bigots for holding bigotted opinions too.

    Also one benefit about NGOs is we know where their money comes from, where does Iona's money come from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Actually, what you will find is that people are tired of the new religious extremists and their ridiculous beliefs. Like I said, it would be refreshing to vote for a woman who can define what a woman is…that will piss off the feminists but people are tired of them too. There are a lot of people who are not as radicalized as some of the posters here. I'd have no problem for instance if Panti Bliss put his name forward, I wouldn't vote for him but I'd respect his right to run for office. But the radicals on here would foam at the mouth at the thought of Steen getting a nomination. So you've gotta ask, which one of us has been radicalized/ or is a religious extremist?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,345 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I hope she gets on the ballot, or if not Steen, then at least another alternative candidate such as Ganley or Delehanty gets on. It will be good barometer of how the electorate are currently, away from the unreliability of opinion polls.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I couldn't care less if she got on the ballot as she would be spectacularly unpopular anyway. Saying she won't get nominated is just a statement of fact - she would be doing well to get anything beyond maybe Aontú votes, leaving her 18 shy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,930 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Are you saying Humphreys and Connolly and whoever SF put forward are not real women?

    Iona are bunch of freaks. That's why she won't get my vote.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I'm fine with her getting on the ballot. She ain't gonna get on well though. Her opposition to two highly successful civil rights referendums and association with the Iona Institute make her a pretty toxic candidate.

    You not gonna clarify what misogynistic statement that I made? I'd say your obsession with transgender people is entirely unhealthy though, bit sad.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    Your misogynistic attitude to a woman who holds different opinions to you is blatant. You know better, than any woman, what a woman should think. It's actually repulsive but typical of a radicalized individual.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You'll find I responded pretty similarly when other bizarre candidates were pushed by posters. Eg McGregor, Nick Delahanty. So you're really reaching if you think being opposed to a bigot and somebody who wants to limit civil rights makes me a misogynist. I'd respond similarly if David Quinn launched an election campaign. Think you're just a tad fragile over the fact that that nobody is taking your candidate seriously. 😂



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    How big of you, women are allowed to have opinions. Just one's you agree with though, right. Ya…it's quiet clear the type you are!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,809 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    You are the one getting your knickers in a twist cause a women says things you don't like. I would welcome her in a race, I wouldn't yet necessarily vote for her, she would have to navigate the campaign successfully but I wouldn't hesitate to vote for her. If she did get on the ballot, she would do very well, a lot better than radicals like you believe.

    I vividly remember the hysterics from posters on here, the media and political class in the 2018 campaign when Casey went from 2% to 20% first preference votes, Steen would have you all in convulsions if she managed to get on the ballot…this forum would be even funnier than it was in the US elections last year, I got some laugh at all the idiots losing their minds because they couldn't see it coming. The same would happen here again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You are getting your knickers in a twist though. 😂 You've attacked any poster who's critical of her. I've already said I'm fine with her being nominated. I simply don't believe she'll get on well due to what she represents which you seem to believe makes me a misogynist. 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭Field east


    are you not missing two points here?
    (1) you are already making a judgement on a persons past utterances/behaviour - is it 10 - years ago re M. Steen . Why not wait to see what the lady has to say for herself now . The same should be for all other candidates

    (2) individuals can ‘mellow’ , change their minds, become more nuanced, etc, over time.
    (3) has M. Steen not the right to present herself as a candidate if nominated. Do you not think that the voting public has a right to consider her policies , etc, and vote. As per their conscious .

    There is a name for all of the above ie democracy in action



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 32,766 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    (1) you are already making a judgement on a persons past utterances/behaviour - is it 10 - years ago re M. Steen . Why not wait to see what the lady has to say for herself now . The same should be for all other candidates

    (2) individuals can ‘mellow’ , change their minds, become more nuanced, etc, over time.

    Looking at people's past utterances and behaviours is exactly how you are supposed to make judgements. She may or may not have "mellowed" but she remains a member of that retrograde organisation so I consider it unlikely.

    (3) has M. Steen not the right to present herself as a candidate if nominated. Do you not think that the voting public has a right to consider her policies , etc, and vote. As per their conscious .

    I've never said otherwise. I've laughed at the idea she has any chance whatsoever.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭wildgreen


    Catherine Connolly could get more support than expected, especially if she speaks out against the zionist genocide etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,288 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Using the genocide to gain votes? I'd prefer if the candidate was A political.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'm enjoying watching you and others getting worked up at the possibility of her inclusion. I am hoping she gets on the ballot as this place will be great fun. I often pop into the Trump thread, or the Gript thread for a good laugh watching radicals foam at the mouth over the scent of a person, politician, media outlet who have the temerity to question the ridiculous orthodoxy of the progressive quasi religious belief system. What makes you a misogynist is your dripping disdain for a woman who says things you don't like. You aren't even aware of it.

    This is currently shaping up to be the dullest campaign yet, just the way the political establishment likes it…it needs a jolt. Steen would be my bet for the biggest jolt, which is why the political establishment will all they can to block her, and if she gets over that, the media will try to destroy her too….and the morons will believe that it is her and her supporters are the ones who are radicalized….we saw all this in 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Any chance of you actually addressing the content of peoples posts instead of resorting to infantile strawmen and ad hominem attacks?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    You're sounding pretty worked up... You can repeatedly call me a misogynist but everyone is free to check the post that made you do so. It was me being critical of her position on the marriage and repeal referendum and the fact she's a member of the Iona Institute. All valid and not remotely gendered. You're just simply avoiding the fact she lacks credibility as a candidate and attacking any poster who's does so instead of refuting it.

    Also FYI. Michael D Higgins won in 2018. Peter Casey then failed at a run to be an MEP. These groundbreaking moments are pretty dull.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,485 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    That's a no then, ironic you complaining at people for attacking Maria Steen for disagreeing with her beliefs when all you've done is attack people who disagree with you...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭JanuarySnowstor


    Michàels support for Gavin won't go down to well in Cork!! Not that Billy is presidential material either. Never seen such a dire list of candidates, It's simple enough really nobody wants it!! Surely there's someone out there better than this lot of wannabes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,908 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    I’d love to know why it will take SF until the 20th September to come to a decision. I think FF and SF have taken way too much time to come to even start the process of selecting a candidate for the election.

    I don’t know that MM and MLMD have been doing for the last couple of months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,288 ✭✭✭✭kneemos




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,576 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    I think it's mainly to limit the scandal cycle. A short run limits the runs for the press to find controversies. If it's somebody unexpected, even better.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    I'm challenging people who are writing her off. In my defense, I have a solid record of predicting results in elections including the two referendum last year, which I predicted would be heavily defeated in january, 3 months out. These elections or votes are getting easier and easier to predict, you just need to know what to look for and to ignore the media.

    I also find the attitude of some posters toward women who are pro life and who challenge other social issues which directly affect women's rights to be repulsive. I'll never apologize for calling it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,555 ✭✭✭spakman


    I think it won't go down well with the FF core voters. It will go down well in Dublin GAA circles, but the rest of Dublin (a sizeable amount!!) won't give a shite about a former football manager.

    Even within the wider GAA fraternity, they're hardly going to be overly enthused at the prospect of voting for a Dub who won 6 in a row, and looked almost nonplussed whenever they won a match.

    He's a boring, dour man in his public persona. He may be an inspirational character in a closer interaction, but a president needs to be able to be able to convince that they're more than a process-driven manager.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,631 ✭✭✭Silentcorner


    They don't want to spend the money.

    Remember, MLMD made a complete f##k up last time forcing an election with Higgins, she picked an awful candidate and got soundly walloped…she's been a terrible leader, she got a freak result in the 2020 election which had nothing to do with her but she has been a disaster since. They are our main opposition party and they are in a mess.

    All the three main parties struggle for candidates across all elections local and national. This should be worrying for us as a nation.



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