Israel/Palestine Thread

Would you cut it out.

Israel are committing genocide on civilians. This has nothing to do with fighting Hamas, which is separate.

They aren't starving every man woman and child in Gaza because of Hamas. They aren't shooting starving children queuing for aid because of Hamas. They aren't murdering more journalists than all the wars from the last century combined because of Hamas. They aren't killing doctors and nurses and paramedics because of Hamas. They aren't settling the West bank, and planning on settling Gaza, because of Hamas. Nor is the destruction of farms and wells anything to do with them.

They do it because they want the population gone, and when ethnic cleansing doesn't work, genocide is the next step. They are systematically destroying all possibility of Gazan life for the people trapped there. Hamas gave them the excuse for this - but Hamas responsibility only goes as far as the actions of Hamas.

Your bulls*it arguments about hostages absolves Israel of the crime of genocide.

Why can you genuinely not put the responsibility for Israeli government and military actions, which they have done of their own free will, on the very same government and military?

A military vehicle or a weapon on the grounds, I'm not sure if that makes it a legitimate target

Why are you not sure?

IMO directly criticising government policies, the EU, the policies (e.g. defence/security) of other EU member states should not be part of his role. He should not be able to say whatever he likes (which seems to be the way during this 2nd term). Even if majority of Irish people agree with what he says when he does that (edit: and even if he's correct!!), it's still not good, and doesn't make it right.

That's YOUR opinion.

However, there's nothing preventing any Irish President from passing comment with regards to any of the above, except when they are making a formal address to the Oireachtas, in which any speech must first be passed by the sitting government (Article 13.7). So Higgins hasn't done anything outside of his role in any respect to his commentary on Gaza/Palestine and the world's response to it. There's certainly limits on what the President can do, but they are relatively free to comment on any world affair and there is no imperative to silence any Irish President.

If his comments re: Israel/Gaza etc are rubbing certain people up the wrong way, then all the better I say. Those people are uncomfortable because what he says is the truth.

It's par for the course with certain types here. They'll wiggle out of answer questions, then disappear for a few days and come back with more lies and crap.

What's the point in even bothering?

Dangerous road for our President to be going down, pal.

Israel is punishing Palestine for having the nerve to be recognized by even more countries.

I look forward to the United Nations General Assembly invoking Resolution 377A, and taking collective action to send Peacekeepers (‘blue helmets’) into Gaza and West Bank, and Israel to enforce ceasefire.

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General Assembly resolution 377A (V) {AKA “UNITING FOR PEACE” Resolution}:
https://docs.un.org/en/A/RES/377%28V%29

^ Resolution 377A (V) is still in effect. It was adopted on 3 November 1950, to empower the United Nations General Assembly to act when the Security Council is gridlocked. In particular, when the Security Council fails to exercise its primary duty to maintain International Peace and Security due to a lack of unanimous agreement among the permanent members (the veto power, such as US). Resolution 377A was a direct response to the Soviet Union's veto in the Security Council during the Korean War, which stymied efforts to protect South Korea from North Korean aggression (Korean War). 

United Nations General Assembly can take collective action once the majority of members have recognised Palestine as a state (Wikipedia: As of March 2025, 76% of all UN members recognise Palestinian statehood). Palestine is already a permanent observer state.

It will be a recognition that Palestinians have sovereign title to their lands, paving the way to a brokered solution. 

That's it. Their whole point is to wear people down. I firmly believe they know what they are saying is bs, but the intent is to exasperate those calling out Israel so they'll just eventually give up calling out the lies. You are doing an effective job of it hence the jibes thrown your way from time to time.

Rubio has a sense of humor; "they are undermining peace efforts" while Bibi has for 30 years been doing everything within his power to forge peace and bring about a two state solution. Oh wait... he has in fact done the exact opposite over the last 30 years. There is no danger of his visa being revoked, instead the wanted war criminal is feted in Washington on his jollies to America