Orange is the new Burke

What they (or their supporters) do NOT have, is a right to berate anyone else who doesn't share that belief, or who refuses to participate in it.

But it is ok for Burke to berate them for their wish to be called a certain pronoun? I don't think you have thought your argument through very well here.

Fundamentally it comes down to whether someone values facts, biology, and history over feelings, beliefs, and goodwill.

Are you actually trying to use this in favour of Burkes actions? It is HIS feelings that have lead him to his outbursts, and those feelings of his are not based on ANY historical fact…it is purely faith based.

Just take a minute to reflect on this, you are self cancelling your points at every opportunity.

Enoch seems to have taken instruction on how to treat other persons beliefs from his family and not his day to day conversations and social interactions with other persons. His personal beliefs, as displayed in coordination with his family, are not restricted to the issue this thread is based around. The relevance of your last sentence above is something that, apparently, the Burke family (not just Enoch) don't choose to accept. They believe 100% in scripture.

Burke is proceeding from another set of beliefs and ideology (religion). I'm talking more about the biological/factual/historical viewpoint.

Again, just to be clear for the millionth time, he wasn't sacked over his beliefs, it was because of his actions.

But why are his beliefs any less valid than the belief that because someone feels they are something, they should be treated as such?

For a start, his beliefs result in moronic behaviour and the constant harassing of people who don't share the same beliefs. There is a world of difference when someone asks to be referred to by a certain pronoun, and someone harassing you due to their own faith based beliefs. Surly you can see that?

He may be extreme in his actions absolutely and certainly doesn't look like he's going to back down anytime soon - but he's just as entitled to those beliefs as a transgender person is to theirs.

No one has said otherwise. He does not have the right to harass people who don't share his though.

As I said, the problems arise when these beliefs are attempted to be enforced or ask the other "side" to accept the argument regardless, hence his situation and the clashes on this issue in general.

Rubbish. Are you familiar with organized religion at all?

It would probably be much better if all involved could hold their own counsel and respect the idea that everyone has their own, just as valid, view - but as I said earlier, that clashes with the very idea of transgenderism which is to live, be seen, and be treated by others as whatever gender the individual believes themselves to be.

You are either ignorant of what happened or choosing to create your own narrative here. The whole reason we are seeing this unfold is because Burke can't respect a simple request.

Live and let live would be fine if it didn't require one side to disregard what they hold to be true, or dismiss the realities involved.

And remind me, which side can't live and let live right now? I will give you a clue, he is standing outside of a school he has been told to leave alone.

Again, it comes down to facts vs feelings - something that'll probably never be resolved unfortunately.

No, it doesn't. Burkes feelings from his faith based position are why this won't be resolved. Bigotry can't be reasoned with, you are trying though, and failing.

The thread is going around in circles again.

Anyway, I hope this time he's not released from prison without purging his contempt. He's shown that he's not willing to change his behaviour after getting 3 chances. If that means he's in there for life, then so be it.

Burke is proceeding from another set of beliefs and ideology (religion). I'm talking more about the biological/factual/historical viewpoint.

But why are his beliefs any less valid than the belief that because someone feels they are something, they should be treated as such?

What are you talking about?

Transgender people have existed since ancient times. They are as real as you.

It's very simple the new fad of bashing trans people is just an excuse for bigots because it is no longer fashionable or acceptable to be homophobic, although the is reversing in some parts of States.

So we are back to same language that was used to demonise Gay people and the same tired well worn excuses to try and justify outright hatemongering.

Seeing as how the security are required at the school for one specific task only, that is to prevent Burke from entering the school, it might be worthwhile for the school to seek a relief order from the court for the costs Burke's unlawful actions have forced on it by way of financial assistance from his seized bank account or a lien on his personal property or belongings.

The school must be out of pocket by quite a lot now between court cases and everything else.

Feels like something obvious is being missed here.

I gotta say I am impressed with how judge D. Nolan (as distinct from judge M. Nolan!) has dealt with this very difficult case. A couple of quotes from examiner.ie:

"When he made his ruling in the case, increasing financial fines on Burke, members of Burke’s family, including his father, attempted to shout him down again and he had them thrown out of court by members of the gardaí.

He said he was refusing to send him back to prison to further make a martyr of him which was what he wanted.

Instead Judge Nolan, the first High Court judge to take on the Burkes face-to-face in a shouting game that he continuously won by threatening to have gardaí throw them out, increased significant financial fines to be recovered by a receiver already appointed by the court."

He is no more a crack pot than those who believe the school and courts are correct.

I don't get those defending this guy. If he was trespassing because he believed e.g. women shouldn't be teaching or that e.g. teachers couldn't be homosexuals, or that e.g. black kids couldn't mix with white kids, would people be defending his right to his "beliefs" then? No.

No matter how this is repackaged or spun, it's old fashioned bigotry.

Should he not be imprisoned for non payment of fines?