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FáilteDAB: Coverage, Tests and Services

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 568 ✭✭✭kazoo106


    Just extracted a location for that photo from my metadata

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    No audio on GHR at the moment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    and still not back online, must be something to do with that court case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I'd agree with you on that. Furthermore, 3G, 4G, 5G, mobile internet, etc can be shut down by all sorts of activities like a DOS / DDOS attack and others, whilst DAB+ radio can't.

    DAB+ radio also offers a lot of emergency functionalities.

    The lower cost of transmission and more stations and more choice will be the main factors for DAB+. Customers and listeners expect more choice than the few FM stations outside bigger cities, like Dublin.

    In the UK outside of London FM radio doesn't offer much, just BBC and a couple of lame and repetitive commercial stations, whilst DAB / DAB+ offers a lot of choice even in small and remote areas.

    Also there is a trend that listening to classic linear radio will go down in the future so if radio wants to survive in the future it has to use a technology which is cheaper and offers more choice than FM.

    The desire for more choice is mainly driven by mobile internet and smartphones.

    FM has just high transmission cost and no real room for growth.

    I may be mistaken, but as far as I know Ireland doesn't have a fixed date for an FM shutdown and neither does the UK.

    Many other EU countries have focused at 2030 or 2035 for an FM shutdown and tied that decision to something like 60% to 70% of housholds owning a DAB+ radio.

    Only if you're DXing then DAB+ radio doesn't like hills.

    However take a look at Switzerland, or Norway. Both countries are the perfect example for a perfect DAB+ coverage across the whole country, and there are lot's of mountains and valleys in both countries.

    DAB+ when implemented is actually the better choice to cover mountains and valleys. No crackling, not the kind of reflexions FM gets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,492 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Hadn't even considered the DDOS attacks, but I believe the technology of DAB is such that at some point along the line the internet is required so I'd say fewer attacks are likely as opposed to 3G/4G/5G

    There's 34 stations on DAB in the UK and a further 53 on the DAB+service for a total of 87. That's before you even look at regional services! Now I accept that most are very specialised or religious, there's even a station dedicated to music and programming for tradespeople, which in fairness would be very popular over here if they wanted to expand

    Agreed, the reason for classic linear radios decline is largely due to the choice available. I can open Apple, youtube music, or spotify in my car and have access to almost every song that has ever been played and every podcast I could ever need. If we get 20+ stations on DAB I might not listen to all of them but I might flick between 6 or 7 of them, which would be a better outcome for at least those stations.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,154 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Public internet is neither required nor normally used in DAB transmission

    FM transmitters are almost always fed using IP codecs (and have been for decades); but on entirely private microwave networks, not the internet. DAB transmission is the same.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Digital radio in the UK is older thus the BBC stations are on DAB, many commercial stations are DAB+.

    The other advantage DAB+ would have in Ireland is to provide Irish content more. The RTE would have a good future here, if they didn't spend everyting on the aging and defunct 252 transmitter.

    With mobile phone opions there is more and more mobile presence of foreign music and media content and less and less Irish content. DAB+ could provide a cost effective alternative with Irish content and promote Irish culture and music a lot more.

    And then overall analogue radio in international choice is in general done. With the shutdown of AM stations any kind of choice is also done with in Ireland. No more Virgin 1215, RTL on 234 or Europe 1 on 183, or Deutschlandfunk and most likely also no Talksport and BBC Radio 5 by 2030. BBC Radio 4 on 198 will go off air in September next year. Shortwave is also more than done by now.

    The few FM stations remaining will dwindle in listenership and the younger audience will avoid them at all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,492 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That 252 transmitter is gone as far as I know, it's just the wage bill RTE have to contend with now

    The flip side of that then is you could have dedicated language radio stations. Ukranians, Syrians and Africans would be able to hear the news in a language they understand. I saw a lot of French cars this summer holidaying down the South East this summer and I'd put money that they were listening to home stations using TuneIn or the likes

    I could never listen to those AM stations for too long anyway as the sound quality was so poor. Something which DAB is capable of rectifying nicely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭Glaceon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Does anyone know the reason for their lack of online presence, they seem to be the only station not online?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,492 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    At a guess, they might be trying to gauge the popularity of the DAB system and if they need to make cutbacks in future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭ryangontv


    https://edge2.audioxi.com/GHRLIVE

    Just launched on GoLoud



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 63 ✭✭ryangontv


    ….And it went down. How interesting haha



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭waywill1966


    Back again and mentioned on air about it being added to the Go Loud player/app



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭vinnielo


    Had a bit of fun earlier trying to get the RadioFeeds Alexa skill to say back "Gee Haitch Orrr"! It kinda works… I feel the orrrrrr could be longer but I've run out of ideas to manipulate her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    "Onic Chill" (short name "OnicChil") replaced Onic Pride Vibes a few days ago and Onic Kids has reduced its bitrate from 40 to 32kb/s

    While "LazerHits" (short name "Lazer") has changed from LaserHits (Laser)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    "W" has launched as a placeholder. Currently silent with PTY as Current Affairs and 32kb/s

    As a result, that's now 29 stations with 8Radio reducing its bitrate from 40 to 32kb/s

    Here's a list of everyone's bitrate

    64: Newstalk and Q102

    48: Spin, Today FM, GHR and Onic Country

    40: Onic Movies/R&B/Chill/Hits/80s/Alt/Rock/Gold, Rewind, Sunshine Soul, Eirwave, Freedom, LazerHits, Classic Hits 80s and Nova Classic Rock

    32: Onic Kids, Bob FM, Ri Ra, 8Radio, Spirit and W

    24: UCB and Radio Maria



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,026 ✭✭✭Infoanon


    The obvious omission is Talksport but I dont see that as the 'W'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    It's hard to imagine what else it could be, unless RTE have decided to put Radio 1 on the service (highly unlikely, I'd have thought). What other stations are there in Ireland that could qualify as Current Affairs? Dublin City FM? Raidó na Life? One of the local community stations like NEAR FM or South Dublin FM?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭vinnielo


    GoLoud. Radio

    Just non-stop music without idents at the mo.

    EDIT: At 10am, an announcement for "Go Live Radio on DAB+", then a lead-up to an episode of the Mario Rosenstock podcast. It's a GoLoud player podcast "showcase" channel.

    Post edited by vinnielo on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The lower bitrates are really starting to be noticeable - a number of the stations with metallic and swirly sounding audio, although some sound better than others (presumably better audio processing).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,154 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    If RTE were to put any service on, Gold is the only one that makes sense. Duplicating FM services is not required when most DAB+ listening is in cars with combined programme guides

    This appears not be to be that anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    GoLoud Radio??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭mackersdublin


    Newstalk has now reduced from 64 to 56kb/s and GoLoud has increased from 32 to 40kb/s



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,580 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    I think most of us do miss RTE Gold on some kind of terrestrial mobile service. Back in the days they should have put it on the 252 rather than radio 1.

    Any chance of DAB+ being rolled out across the whole of Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,492 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The trial is only going on until early next year, after which point I assume they will be forced to expand or liquidate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,183 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I was listening to the "GoLoud" station there, it identified itself as "Today FM 80s" between songs. But it doesn't match what's playing on the Today FM 80s web stream.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 347 ✭✭chilloutrelax




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74,154 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The number of 80s/Classics stations is nuts when you consider the most popular pirate of recent years was a 90s station.

    Freedom sort of covers that market, but not like a dedicated 90s station would. The lack of an actual dance station - again, Freedom sort of covers this - is another surprise. However the mux is now basically as full as it can be.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭Cmx95


    Am surprised storm north east didn't go for it considering there no dance station it's a bit heavy with 80s stations



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