Northern Ireland 2125?

FrancieBrady · 23-08-2025 11:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123748799#Comment_123748799

Do you know what ‘appeasing’ is?

I said nothing about ‘forcing’.

If a majority vote for a UI, who is being ‘forced’?

Discuss don’t rant.

Are belligerent Unionists democrats? What is it about a ‘satellite to the motherland’ if a Border Poll goes against them convinces you that these guys are democrats?

Can you give your opinion on that and not what you think of me?

24-08-2025 12:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123748837#Comment_123748837

Who are these "hypocrites who change identity"?

You mentioned appeasement in this context: "as the appeasement that led to partition."

Who did the appeasing at this time in your view?

csirl · 24-08-2025 09:18AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123747614#Comment_123747614

Fliuency in Irish is NOT required to work in the Irish civil service.

csirl · 24-08-2025 09:23AM

This thread seems to have gone down a rabbit hole with people arguing over events of the past.

Its supposed to be about 2125. Does anyone have any views on what things will look like in 2125?

michael-henry-mcivor · 24-08-2025 09:54AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749153#Comment_123749153

Hopefully world events don't take us over by then- but they will-

The 32 counties will be in Nato- this could happen before the next dail election-

People will be more anti foreigners in Ireland has they go on more foreign holidays themselves-

But- i think the future will be grand- i had nieces and Nephews who got their exam results this week and they were brilliant-

There will be no shortage of brains in the next generation- so let them at it-

itsacoolday · 24-08-2025 10:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749142#Comment_123749142

It was for many many decades in this country. I remember the days when a pass in Irish was needed to pass the entire Leaving cert. You still need a pass in Irish to get in to most of the better known universities here. I know one person, brilliant leaving cert in everything else but failed Irish, he ended up emigrating like so many others.

Gerry Adams says the Irish language "is a badge of a civilisation whose values are vastly different from the one which seeks to subjugate us". So if there is a U.I. in 100 years time, rest assured SF ( as the largest party in the state currently) will probably have got in to power and got rid of those who used to speak the language of the oppressor. Who was it that said every word spoken in Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom? This will encourage unionists to speak it, but not as much as having it as a requirement for Queens university (renamed Bobby Sands by 2025) or jobs in the public service. Of course public servants should be able to speak Irelands official language, a chara.

csirl · 24-08-2025 10:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749230#Comment_123749230

Zero chance any political party will get into power on a policy of eliminating english.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 10:33AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749230#Comment_123749230

Irish language requirements have been enforced by FF or FG governments or a coalition of the two here.

Who was it that said every word spoken in Irish is a bullet for Irish Freedom?

Said in the context of Unionism once again using their veto and when that was no longer available, their quasi veto (misuse of the PoC) to block majority agreed language (available everywhere else in their 'motherland')

2125 that second class citizenship will be long gone.

itsacoolday · 24-08-2025 11:16AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749275#Comment_123749275

So you are acknowledging that for many many decades until relatively recently a pass in Irish was needed to pass the Leaving cert, and for all public sector ( government ) jobs. Irish language still needed for universities in Dublin, Cork, Galway, even for courses like engineering.

A Sinn Féin leaflet from the mid-1980s describes the situation regarding the language this way:

"People must recognise that the anti-Irish campaign is interwoven with the British presence in Ireland. Irish people need to recognise that Irish will not magically reappear when the Brits go. The language suffered after the English came and it will recover before they leave. We also have to accept that having the language back will help bring an end to the foreign rule in Ireland. As the Irish influence rises, the foreign influence decreases."

So there you have it. In the case of a U.I., having Irish influence rising will decrease the foreign influence. Having Irish needed for Queens and government jobs will not be religious discriminations, heavens no, sure anyone can learn Irish, and compulsory education in the language at school, as here, will ensure they do so. Great to hear your plans.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 11:28AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749361#Comment_123749361

As usual a big leap to make stuff up.

that the anti-Irish campaign is interwoven with the British presence in Ireland.

This is demonstratively true as equal language rights have been sought in NI.

Who trenchantly blocked those rights if it wasn't the representatives of the British presence in Ireland?

The language suffered after the English came and it will recover before they leave.

This is also true, the language is recovering.

We also have to accept that having the language back will help bring an end to the foreign rule in Ireland. As the Irish influence rises, the foreign influence decreases."

Also true in my opinion. Unionism objects to language rights because they fear equality. Equality weakens their grip on power and they know this.
Their hate filled blocking of Irish has also shown decent democrats like Linda Ervine etc who the various Unionists party's are - bigots - who will supress, lundy and ostracise their own if it comes to it.

24-08-2025 11:31AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749275#Comment_123749275

Context or is that you making yet more excuses for republican slips of the tongue? Like Gerry Adams in 2014 when he used the term “break these b*st*rds” and “equality is a Trojan horse”. Combined with your ranting last night, it proves republicans remain under suspicion imo.

itsacoolday · 24-08-2025 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749388#Comment_123749388

Your attitude towards unionists / British is chilling, and sometimes your mask slips just a bit.

At the moment SF is putting up signs with the Irish Language in unionist areas if just 15% of the residents there want that, and you say unionists fear equality if they object to that?

https://sluggerotoole.com/2025/08/15/the-15-rule-how-belfasts-irish-signage-policy-skews-democracy/

15% being able to impose its wishes on everyone else is clearly anti-democratic. But that is what SF not only condones but practices.

15% is not Parity of Esteem. If SF do not give parity of esteem before a U.I., what hope would northern unionists have after a U.I.?

I have no problem with street signage in Irish or bi-lingual in areas that may want that eg West Belfast, if over 50% want it there. But as someone else said, "the 15% policy should be called out is that it has high potential to be devastating for local community relations, in otherwise quiet, mixed, post-conflict streets. Political Nationalists know this all too well, yet proceed with a butter-wouldn’t-melt routine, where it is unionists who are made out to be the bad guys."

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 11:49AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749398#Comment_123749398

What 'context' do you need now?
If you don't know how majority agreed Irish Language Legislation has been delayed and blocked , I once again suggest you inform/educate youself.
I also suggest you look up where Adams apologised for his use of language and clarified that he was referring to 'bigots' when he said 'b******s
Linda Ervine and people like her within the unionist family are also trying to break the 'bigots'.

24-08-2025 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749444#Comment_123749444

When your explaining your losing France. The bearded one, being the high priest of republican ideology never says anything he doesn’t mean. “Equality is a Trojan horse”. Right…..

itsacoolday · 24-08-2025 11:59AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749444#Comment_123749444

It is clear both you and Adams think nearly all unionists (except for a few from the unionist family like Linda Irvine as soon as she promoted the Irish language and said she was Irish etc, therefore redeeming herself ) are bigots and despise them. Not only that, but you think all bigots are unionists.

However, who is the bigot in forcing areas to have signs in Irish language if only 15% of the residents there want that?

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749461#Comment_123749461

He was referring to 'bigots'.

I am fine with 'breaking bigots'.

Do you think 'bigots' should be given power to make decisions in a democracy?

24-08-2025 12:08PM

Now now Francie don’t be aping the bearded one and trying to extricate yourself out of a hole using a shovel… 😄

“Equality is a Trojan horse”. Explanation please.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749404#Comment_123749404

Personally I wouldn't give residents any say on street infrastructure.

Residents can't decide to put in speed ramps just because they want to, or change the look of their houses without planning, why would they get a say on signage?

Signage is passive and is there to impart info - in the first place.

Dual language signage has been agreed in legislation.
If passive words on a sign in a different language - the native language of your residence - materially affects your wellness, it isn't legislation you need, it is medical help.
There are dual language signs all over NI now, I pass multiples everyday of the week, what trauma has it caused in peoples lives?

michael-henry-mcivor · 24-08-2025 12:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749398#Comment_123749398

The Unionists / Loyalists of PUL have been broken-

They went down like the Titanic when they steered into the Sinn Féin iceberg-

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749487#Comment_123749487

What hole?

Apologies, I didn't see the ninja edit.

What's the problem with that phrase?

Equality is the Trojan Horse that will 'break the bigots'.

The 'bigots' are being broken as we speak. Irish Language rights forge ahead despite the 'curry my yoghurt' bigots.

24-08-2025 12:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749489#Comment_123749489

I actually admire your honesty unlike certain other posters around here in fairness.

24-08-2025 12:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749499#Comment_123749499

”Equality is a Trojan horse”. What did the bearded high priest mean here?

Oh, and before i forget, from you last night:

“hypocrites who change their identity”.

What are you saying here?

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749521#Comment_123749521

A 'trojan horse' is in reference to a strategy that achieves something without a political foe realising it.

In this case, achieving 'equality' (done via the GFA and various subsequent agreements like NDND etc) and implementing it would break the bigots blocking of Irish language rights.

'Equality' has totally weakened the belligerent bigoted Unionist nexus of power, over their own treatment by their government and in NI itself - hadn't you noticed?

Before others get all huffy, I am referring to belligerent Unionism, not moderate and democratic Unionism.

I can't explain it any more.

itsacoolday · 24-08-2025 12:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749488#Comment_123749488

So you delight in another poke in the eye for unionists….street signs in Irish being put in their areas.

15% being able to impose its wishes on everyone else is clearly anti-democratic. But that is what SF not only condones but practices.

Even FrancieBrady thinks 15% now is democratic, as long as the losing 85% are unionists / people from the PUL community. One thing you are showing for certain, if there was a U.I. they would be out.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:37PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749555#Comment_123749555

2125 nobody will 'own areas' or 'wee countries'.

I didn't agree to the rules on dual language signage, the Executive/Assembly did.

As I said, if it were me, no resident would get a say on street infrastructure common to all areas and agreed in planning and legislation. That is ridiculously unworkable.

I don't delight in it, I find it ineffably sad that deeply ingrained bigoted hatred is so strong that passive words in Irish on a street sign or manhole cover can materially affect somebodies wellness.

csirl · 24-08-2025 12:45PM

TBH I dont think anyone, other than academics, will be speaking Irish in 2125.

Different languages are a product of the lack of contact people had with other cultures in the past.

Due to increased world connectivity, everyone will be speaking the same language by then.

24-08-2025 12:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749552#Comment_123749552

Really? Thats what the occupants of the Trojan horse did when they were let loose inside Troy? They spread a message of friendship and light? Erm, ok……. Republican revisionism really knows no bounds.

One thing is clear from reading this thread, is that in discussing the possibilities around a UI, republicans and their apologists actual attitudes to other cultures on this island remain under a dark cloud of suspicion. Much work to be done by them yet i’m afraid to prove otherwise.

24-08-2025 12:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749555#Comment_123749555

Its the trojan horse strategy of Francie and his mates. 50%+1 result for them in a border poll and he’ll demand the right to parade down the Shankill Road waving tricolours and shillelaghs the very next day.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:55PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749591#Comment_123749591

ha ha, you thought he meant a literal copy of the historic trojan horse? 😁😁😁😁😁

P.S. 'bigotry' and toxic hate can indeed be part of your culture but it isn't a part I want to keep. Whosoever indulges bigotry and hate.

FrancieBrady · 24-08-2025 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123749609#Comment_123749609

You don't strike me as someone of great observational gifts.

Equality has been achieved in NI. See anyone 'demanding' what you claim?

Northern Ireland 2125?

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