Israel/Palestine Thread

the UNSC did and it was carried out on their behalf by several NATO countries, not by the UN.
presuming the US vetoed any such action, then it would be up to various countries to act on their own initiative (except Ireland of course, because we like other countries dictation our foreign policy) and would most likely end up with Britain, France, Italy and maybe Greece. Between them probably able to muster around 250 aircraft. More or less the same amount that Israel can, except they would also have the benefit of being protected by the most advanced air defence system in the world and wouldn’t have to keep flying back to Cyprus to refuel.

Stop with the "but Hamas", it's nonsense and you know it.

Bibi is intent on bulldozing Gaza to the ground, Trump is happy for it to happen so they can "take it". It's nothing to do with hostages.

Of course it was controversial, they were supposed to control the skies but bombed everything they could on the ground instead once they got the green light.

Paid zionist shill, lots of them out there "influencing".

Do you think the UN is going to pass a similar resolution in relation to Israel and Gaza?

If they do, do you think NATO is going to get involved? Maybe a pan-Arab coalition? Wonder what could go wrong there…

Again, lets live in the real world here.

I was responding to a line of thinking that we and the West should intervene militarily.

My question to that was how? That is all.

I didn't know that this thread only allowed a certain point of view. Bibi can go and **** himself if all I care, I am no fan. But I have a differing view on the conflict and longer memories of it and history.

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This x10000

And if folks know my posting history, they will see I am quite consistent on this. I would go so far asto say Ireland should join NATO, but at the very least we need to get with the program and stop pretending like it's 1999. Europe needs to be able to look after itself without help from the Americans.

The reason we, Europe, are this weak is because we have disarmed ourselves over the past 25 years, and look where it got us. We are utterly dependent on the US for our security, even though we have the EU with a larger domestic economy and bigger population.

The fact is, we have ZERO hard power. We just do not matter in the grand scheme of things in the world. We cant even provide a security force for Ukraine in the event of a peace deal, and we still want the Americans to back us up. It's kind of pathetic, really.

This is why Europe wants to forget about Gaza, because its eyes are on Ukraine and Russia. It has bigger fish to fry, and I cant really blame them. Gaza while tragic is not an existential threat to Europe. The outcome of the Ukraine war could be… that is the cold hard truth of it. We know Trump and Israel are close, so Europe will not want to cross them, while also asking them to be our backstop for security and play nice in the face of tariffs.

So, the EU are not going to cavalry to the rescue of Gaza. That is just RealPolitik.

Now, if we were strong, and militarily independent and could exert hard power, then yes, it could be an option. But right now forget about it. Maybe in 20-30 years time if Europe gets it act together.

No I dont think they will because the UN is a spineless organisation that is not fit for purpose in todays world.

Agree

As long as some countries have a veto the UN will never have any real teeth to act on conflicts like Ukraine / Russia or Israel and Gaza.

Agree

Do I think they should - Yes I do. Whether that is a NATO force enforcing a no fly zone over both conflicts above or a coalition of other countries something needs to be done.

What you think should happen is immaterial. My kids think he should have Ice Cream with every meal, including breakfast. Obviously, that does not happen, nor will a NATO intervention in Gaza. In fact it will never happen.

I never mentioned an Arab coalition - you did - so once again that where you jump to Arabs = Bad / Israel = Good.

I mentioned it in the vein of an alternative to NATO. If not NATO who could? Naturally there are risk of escalation there, and the Arab states dont seem all the keen nor bothered about it. We in Ireland seem more bothered about it frankly, which tells you something.

Theres plenty of other countries that I would say could be willing to form a peace keeping force if it meant stopping the genocide of Palestinians.

Such as?